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Just Added a G30 to Family...Best Defense Ammo?

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by jhands, Sep 25, 2010.


  1. jhands

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    I just recently picked up a holster worn G30 for dirt cheap with only 400 rounds down the pipe. Also came with a comptac holster! Only thing wrong with this thing is cosmetics. The slide could use refinishing but because it is going to be my new carry pistol I won't bother, at least for now. This is my first .45 and I took it to the range. Wow, I can't believe how noticably less recoil there is in comparison to my G27. This easily became my go to carry pistol. Now my questions:

    What are some of the good options for self defense loads? What weight? I typically carry the heaviest bullet possible in all of my pistols.

    Thanks for input.

    James
     

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    What is reliable, and shoots to point of aim, in YOUR weapon?
     

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    HST, Ranger T, Gold Dot, PDX1 in 230gr. Shoot what works well in your gun.
     
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    I use 200gr Golt Dots in the 30 & 230gr in the 21.
     
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    Gold Dots. They're proven, bonded, priced right, and relatively easy to find.
     
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    Thanks for the replies. Anyone have any experience with the short barrel .45 gold dots?
     
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    Last test I saw on it was 14" 4 layer denim and .73 expansion from a 30.
     
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    That's not too shabby...I am looking at many of these loads and noticing the wide variance in numbers in their muzzle vel and energy ratings. Should this be taken into consideration, or is it all relevant?

    Also, why is there such a lack of replies on Hornady? I use TAP in my G27, and don't think I'd ever use anything else in that particular weapon.
     
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    This. Or, 230gr in anything reputable I can find at the lowest price.
     
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    I strongly suspect that if it'll fire out of my 30, and I can hit the BG with it, it'll do him some serious damage.:whistling:
     
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    To parrot a few people here already (namely fredj338), most newer bullets in 230gr. are already designed to open in velocity windows all the way down to 775 fps. or so. (I think I have that right, in .230gr 45acp.) Sorry, don't know anything about Hornaday except that they load a round (XTP) for .45 that seems pretty good in generic, but cool back yard tests on You Tube. "tnoutdoors9" on you tube shoots a standard 230 45 GD out of a 30 into his 4 ply denim, paper soaked jug deal and that thing looked great. If I still lugged around a 30, I'd probably just use the standard 230 GD out of it. On the velocity thing with a 30, it's my understanding that you'll lose 50 or so FPS using a 30 with 230gr. compared to a 5" barrel. Using the lighter stuff like 185gr. can cause losses of 150fps. out of a 30 compared to a 5" barrel. Me? I'd stick with 230 for that G-30.
     
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    You might be tempted to go with a +P offering. I've tried a huge variety of standard pressure and +P loadings in my G30. In a blind test, I could easily tell the difference between any +P loading and and a standard pressure loading. Since I practice with 230gr loaded to the max, I decided to stay away from +P self defense loads. I knew that I wouldn't practice with them enough to be as proficient as with standard loads. Luckily, in 45acp, there are plenty of standard pressure 230gr loads which are more than adequate to do the job for self defense against human opponents.
     
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    I use Ranger 230+p (RA45TP), but I would feel comfortable w/ any 230(regular or +p) from any of the major manufactures. I got a "good" deal on a 500rd cases a while back, so I stocked up.

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    Thanks for the input. I am not sure that I would go with a +p load just because of the increase in recoil. Is it significant? I remember it was very significant in my revolver I used to carry +p in, and due to the cost of ammo now a days, I'd prefer to shoot maybe 40 or 50 of the round I am carrying and then load the mags with the rest. I know some people say the magic number is 100, or 200, but I have always shot about 50. Typically I will do a mag of slow, focused fire. Then I will do a mag of double taps. Then a mag of rapid "fight or flight" fire. And then typically I would split the last mag or two between 1 handed strong and weak hand fire.
     
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    If you do change your mind on using +P give the Hornady 230 TAP +P a try. They run good in my Glock 36. Not the most popular choice but I am pretty happy with Federal American Eagle 230 grain ball. Good function, recoil control, and plenty of penetration.
     
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    I like the Remington 230g Golden Saber and also the Hornady 200g +p TAP.

    And of course you already know that the best defensive ammo is anything that hits the vitals...so, congrats on your new purchase and shoot, shoot, shoot...the .45 is a great round.

    Good luck with your choice.

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    Two handed slow fire, the difference between 185gr +P and 230gr is noticeable, but not severe. 230gr +P is stiff, but still manageable.

    Transition to one handed shooting, and for me, both +P offerings had too much extra recoil and muzzle flip, making follow-up shots more difficult.

    If I had worries about the effectiveness of 230gr standard pressure loads, I would have to carry and train harder with the +P loads. As 230gr standard pressure loads are effective, the performance bonus of the +P loads isn't enough to warrant the extra +P trigger time I would need to remain proficient with my SD loads.
     
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    I can tell a difference between 200gr +P Gold Dots and 230gr Gold Dots. The 200 +P kicks noticeably more. Still not bad but overall it's hard to beat the ol' 230gr. The 200 +P gives you 170 more fps, which is a lot, but the 230 penetrates better in most cases. I used to be hung up on muzzle energy but I've learned that means relatively little. The 200 +P is 467 ft lbs but the 230 is "only" 370.
     
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