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It only a 22

Discussion in 'Rimfire Forum' started by Bob Hafler, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. Bob Hafler

    Bob Hafler

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    It's only a little 22. How effective can it be? It can be effective enough to take a BG out of the fight.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1r_444CY&feature=player_embedded"]How far will a .22 LR Kill? - YouTube[/ame]
     
  2. bac1023

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    I wouldn't want to get hit by any 22, but there's no way the 22 short is an ideal SD round.
     


  3. Bob Hafler

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    Agree and I don't think they were going in that direction when they said it will kill the crap out of you.:rofl:
     
  4. Njanear

    Njanear Nagant-ophile

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    At 1:47, he starts talking about the accuracy of the Minx at 15 yards but then converts everything to feet and comes up at 30. :faint:

    GA Fellows: are these the guys from Moss Pawn? :dunno:
     
  5. edcrosbys

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    I love my 22. But I don't think of it as an "ideal self defense gun" as per the video.

     
  6. edcrosbys

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    Since I was skeptical about the US Army and pine board, I went looking for it. Here is what I found:

    Ballistic Characteristics of Wounding Agents
    http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwii/woundblstcs/chapter2.htm

     
  7. series1811

    series1811 Enforcerator. CLM

    The .22 may not be much of a man stopper, but it is a good man killer. From my memory, more of the murders I have worked on, or were associated with in some way, were with .22's than anything else.

    But, I have also seen a lot of people shot with them and barely hurt (including one of my best friends, who took a .22 to the abdomen and walked into the emergency room).
     
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  8. "It will kill the crap outta you"

    Might be my new favorite tag line.

    I kinda like these guys.


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  9. When they are shooting the Mynx you can appear to hear the trigger press/click before the gun fires. Am I hearing this correctly? Or is this just some sort of camera/recording anomaly?


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  10. Cream Soda Kid

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    In 1979 a friend of mine was shot with a .22 caliber handgun. The shooter appeared to be a gang-banger.

    My friend was hit in the right armpit, the bullet pierced the top part of his right lung, then went through the valves of his heart, then through his left lung and stopped at one of his ribs on the left side.

    After the shooting, (the bad guy got away) my friend walked into the house under his own power. He didn’t know at the time if he had been hit or not. We looked at his chest and no wound was visible. We didn't know where the entry wound was at the time.

    As we were checking him out, his eyes started to close and he went unconscious. The ambulance arrived.

    He underwent surgery of course, his heart stopped 3 times while he was in surgery. His heart was permanently damaged and the surgeon implanted a pacemaker. He needed the device until he died a few years ago from an unrelated event.
     
  11. glocked1

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    I love when people talk about 22lr like they are toys.
     
  12. Brian Lee

    Brian Lee Drop those nuts

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    Up a tree.
    The .22LR is a caliber that will usually kill your best friend by accident almost every time. For SD, it will piss off the bad guy and only strengthen his resolve to kill you almost every time.

    If you are a legal hunter, .22LR would let a large wounded animal get away almost every time. If you are a poacher, it will easily kill deer, sheep, pigs and elk with a head shot almost every time.

    Squirrels & paper targets are about the only use where the results are not unpredictable - but I still love the .22LR for what it is.
     
  13. mac66

    mac66 Huge Member Millennium Member

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    "For SD, it will piss off the bad guy and only strengthen his resolve to kill you almost every time."

    Sorry, you fail. Nobody wants to get shot, particularly more than once.

    I investigated a bunch of shootings in my career. I don't care if the the bullet is a 22 or a 44, getting shot with anything will ruin your whole day.
     
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  14. Cream Soda Kid

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    Yes I agree. I love my little Remington 597 .22 LR.

    I take it to the range from time to time. It’s fun to shoot, it helps me maintain my marksmanship skills with a rifle. No, it’s not the same as shooting my Ruger Mini-30, but it’s still aiming through non-optical sights.

    It’s cheap to shoot and it doesn’t beat me up when I shoot it.
     
  15. I don't think they ever actually said "ideal", just effective. I don't want to stand in front of a BB gun. I'd be interested to see what 45ACP does at 450 yards, though. I bet it'd still be better than throwing a rock.
     
  16. ratf51

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    I asked this question in a posting at Rimfirecentral that was along this same topic:

    I recall reading an article a few years ago about a study done in England in the early days of WWII. A fellow looked at the .22lr as a possible defense round that could be easily used by civilians should the Nazis invade. They utilized dummies dressed in German military uniforms and kit, and iirc, the study showed that at 400 yards the .22lr was getting a minimum of 1" (I assume it was some type of wood/board) penetration after passing through the uniform. Maybe not lethal in that context, but sufficient to wound and slow down an advance. I have recently searched for this article (I can't remember the source I read it from) or the study itself but have come up short. Has anyone else read about or heard of this?
     
  17. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

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    SCHP Trooper was killed within 1 minute of being shot with a single .22lr fired from a mini revolver from NAA. Trooper fired 5 rounds of .38spl (from a .357 revolver) into the gut of the bad guy whom lived.

    caliber does not make up for poor shot placement.
     
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  18. slims00ls1z28

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    Likewise they showed us a video in training where some bg shot a trooper in the armpit over the vest during a struggle and the trooper then shot the bg point blank in the face with a .357. Trooper died (not right off)the perp did not.

    There's also a kid at the local JV who killed his grandfather with a BB gun (through the eye believe it or not) and a convict I know with a .45 ACP bullet still in his head walking around.

    I'm still grabbing the guage or glock (or any other gun in the safe for that matter) over the .22's though unless I'm just plinking.
     
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2012
  19. Skykevver

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    Njanear,

    Yes, these are the guys from Moss Pawn.


    Outdoor Hub mobile, the outdoor information engine
     
  20. Frog1

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    Like any caliber, it is very effective when used within it's design limits. It is not ideal for quick and intense encounters with human beings or large animals. It is better than a stick, knife, or rock or calling 911.

    It takes some time for it's terminal damage to manifest itself. But let no one with any brains at all think it won't kill you. And it can buy time in a struggle if used properly to evade the situation.