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Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by Jake Starr, Jan 27, 2012.
How many know that you can carry Israeli with or without a round in the chamber?
Can you tell me?
I'm not an Israeli, so my information is second hand. But it did come first hand from some IDF trainers I worked with last year.
The civilian programs calls for unchambered carry. But they have a very fast very . . funny looking . . technique for getting that round into the pistol in a big hurry.
Again, second hand information. And given the amount of unbridled joy they got out of introducing me to the receiving end of their black tipped simunitions, it would not surprise me if they were not yanking my chain just for kicks.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRdZ3hZ8y-w"]The Israeli Instinctive Combat Shooting Method: AGI 301 - YouTube[/ame]
Found a demo. Dang, they were not just yanking my chain. Watch the arms when he loads the pistol.
Personally, I do not train with the assumption that on the most unfortunate day of my life I will be able to get into a perfect bent-knee stance, have both hands completely free, draw, turn my firearm sideways, rack the slide, aim, and fire.
I go with the assumption that the encounter will be fast and sloppy, with an awkward stance and only one hand free (possibly my non-dominant) and all I will have time to do is draw, point, and fire.
I don't claim to be an expert but IMO, Israeli Carry bases it's entire philosophy on the hope that you will encounter a "perfect world" self-defense situation. But if this were a perfect world, none of us would need to carry firearms in the first place.
Hope for the best. Train for the worst.
Are you serious?
If you carry with a round in the chamber why rack the slide when drawing? Or are you one of those 'hollywood' types?
And like in another thread here, if you are a 65 year old man that has just been pushed off a bicycle and beaten by three thugs, you gonna have time to draw AND chamber a round?
Now the guy in the video has a) no coat, b) large pistol, c) in broad daylight, d) no one shooting at him, e) no one grappling with him, f) TWO HANDS.
Honestly, if you fear having a chamber loaded simi-auto, just pack a revolver.
You beat me to it........................
What gun owners really need is a G17 that makes a hammer clicking noise before shooting, as heard in the Matrix.
I'll stick with one in the chamber and don't have to worry about some slight chance of something going wrong especially under stress.
Personally, I would like to get at least 1 round off...
They didn't demo the *speed* to load the pistol when (not if, we know it happens) the first round nose dives (for whatever reason) and yer standing there with a pistol that has a slide jammed open?
When you get one round off, at least someone is running for cover... and I will probably be that person!
All firearms ARE always loaded when holstered, condition 1, for me at anyway...
Fun Video! Needless to say, you won't see me pressing my luck by picking a fight... They certainly do load and fire quickly!!!
Great comments so far. And it is doing as I had hoped.
Israeli carry is NOT the same thing as carrying C3 or without a round in the chamber.
Israeli carry is more of a technique and a mindset.
I carry "Israeli" every time I carry a gun. Sometimes I have a round in the chamber, sometimes I do not. It is all situation specific... If you don't understand what I am saying, well then, you don't understand what it means to carry "Israeli."
Technically, there is no such thing as "Israeli Carry". There is, however, the Israeli Draw Technique...which was developed around idea of carrying C3 with all manual safeties off. The Israeli Draw Technique is part of the Israeli ICS (Instinctive Combat Shooting) Method. The fact that the Israeli Draw Technique was developed around C3 carry has, over time, resulted in the term "Israeli Carry" being created and used as the popular term for C3 carry. This, despite the fact that C3 carry was the norm (for auto-loading pistol carry) for all the world for most of the last century...including the US. C3 carry is still the norm for much of the world. But since it was the Israeli's that developed a draw technique for C3 which became fairly well known, the term C3 carry has fallen out of "vogue" in the US and has been replaced with the term "Israeli Carry"...resulting in a great deal of confusion and misinformation regarding C3 carry. And the vast majority of people in the US that choose to carry C3, have absolutely no idea what the Israeli ICS Method is or how to properly execute the Israeli Draw Technique.
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I'm in my 70's AND have bad arthritis in my left hand. (I shoot right handed). Sometimes it is difficult for me to actually "rack" the slide....... SOOO I carry with one in the chamber.... Be safe........
Doesn't the OP start this discussion every once in a while. Boring.
I agree. always carry a hot round
Oh, goody. Another C3/'Israeli thread...haven't had one in at least a week!
Why the infactuation with Israeli carry and use of pistols?
Why the infactuation? Probably the same reason why some people have nearly 22,000 posts on this site. Infactuation can be hard to explain.
I always carry in condition 3.
To each his own, no one will change my mind and I won't change anyone's mind.
So why don't we drop this discussion and talk about vaccines or school prayer