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Is this a "sportsman-like" shot?

Discussion in 'Hunting, Fishing & Camping' started by sharpshooter, May 25, 2004.

  1. sharpshooter

    sharpshooter Member Millennium Member

    Dec 25, 1999
    What do you think? Is an animal in this situation fair game?
    The way I see it, any farm animal DUMB enough to get stuck in a fence deserves to get shot at. ;f
  2. NO it would not be sportman to shoot a trap animal and calling hunting or sportman like.

    {any farm animal DUMB enough to get stuck in a fence deserves to get shot at.}

    I'm guessing you never worked on a farm. Alot of animals calves/pigs/goats get stuck in the fence line, and mainly when they stick their heads thru trying to eat the greener grass on the other side of the fence. ;f

  3. mpol777

    mpol777 Feral Member

    Jul 23, 2001
    Cochise County, AZ
    Depends on how hungry you are. ;f
  4. mhambi

    mhambi κολασμένος

    Sep 25, 2001
    I've put down a few deer that have been tangled in barb wire fences. (with DWR approval of course)

    Sportsmanlike or not, it needed to be done. And the extra meat never hurts either... :)
  5. CanyonMan

    CanyonMan In The Saddle

    Jul 26, 2002
    Amen ! To what Noway said, He's right!

    Shooting this animal in the photo, would be about like cutting off a man's hand just because it gets stuck in a cookie jar.

  6. peter3334


    May 5, 2004
    there's no animal (save a human) that has a fair chance against a man with a gun, who are you kidding?
    Blow it away if it makes you feel good.

  7. uncowboy


    May 4, 2004
    South Jersey
    I would only shoot a predator in that situation.
  8. Dogbite

    Dogbite DNT TREAD ON ME

    May 20, 2000
    No----not hunting,not sporting.
  9. mpol777

    mpol777 Feral Member

    Jul 23, 2001
    Cochise County, AZ
    I'm curious as to why you make that distinction. I hear a fair amount of folks who would sooner chop of their arm than leave a deer in the field, but treat coyotes like they just stole their lunch money. I guess I just look at predators differently than some. To each his own.
  10. firminw


    Feb 27, 2004
    I'll offer another veiw though. An animal that gets caught in a fence will do it again and again. I was raised on a farm and have seen too many examples to not know what I'm talking about. If you dont destroy it sell it and let it be someone elses problem or hamburger. Cows are pretty far down on the intelligence pecking order, above horses but not far, and as such they do not learn from their mistakes. My dad was a veterinarian so I've seen stuff you would not believe, situations animals got themselves into. One guy had a high priced beagle that would get his head caught in jars repeatedly, they couldn't do enough to keep him and jars apart. One neighbor had a Hereford bull that would tear down 1000 ft sections of fence with his horns just for S's and G's. We finally had to castrate him to calm him down. It took a Ford 3000 tractor and a concrete sunk barn cornerpost to stretch him out so we could "steer" him, darned thing weighed close to a ton and had down turned horns that missed his eyeballs by less than a 1/2". Horses are the dumbest and meanest animals God ever strung a gut through and can be durned scary if your trying to practice needed medicine on them. Well just ramblin and like I said I couldn't see the picture but dont be so quick to make judgements if you aren't there. Oh yeah horses are dumb but I sure do like to hunt off a good one and chickens are way dumber but not as dangerous.

    P.S. I finally saw the picture as I was going off to another section. Cant tell much by the picture but it would be the owners call. As for me I see barbeque. Besides thats not fence thats a gate and they dont come cheap or handy if the dumb thing breaks it. Like I said does anyone else smell the Kingsford, it's time to slow roast that sucker.
  11. Boy I 'm glad I'm not a farm animal. How quick people are to condeem a animal for being an animals is unbelieveable.

    I worked on a few ranchs and had to untangle afew goats from the fence and even more piglets that stuck their head thru the barb and got entangle and I wouldn't even think about get rid of the animal or starting up the BBQ for it's actions. Same for the few cows that pushed in the fence line. That's part of life for ranch handler.

    We have dominon over the animals but for heaven seak they are domestic animals that are bound to get into things. That's their nature.

    {Horses are the dumbest and meanest animals }

    You must have the wrong breed of horse. The only thing bad with horse compared to cows, they need more maintenance and human care. I personally think they are some of the smartest animals on the farm.
  12. firminw


    Feb 27, 2004
    Hey man cant a guy even make a few light hearted comments. I did not mean to impune all horses just the more than thousands I helped the ol' man work on. Like I said horses aren't at the bottom of the I Q stack but pretty close. I've never seen a pig founder or eat something that would make it sick except by accident. I cant tell you all the horses I've seen eat poison ivy or worse. That does not mean they have no redeeming qualities, like I said I like to big game hunt off'un a good one. And especially if someone else has to deal with him after a long day. We raised cattle, Polled Herefords, and they can be pretty intellectually challenged, esp. the high powered registered ones, but even they are a far sight more savvy than most horses. If your a horse lover then just understand some of us have had different experiences than you and I can assure you that most of my memories of horses are not good. I've been bitten too many times by the buggers to ever trust one. In my rodeo days I never saw a bronc that I wasn't glad to get off of unhurt and that was rare. If I offended you I'm sorry but no one will ever accuse me of being a horse lover. If you are go with God 'cause one day you will need Him.
  13. CanyonMan

    CanyonMan In The Saddle

    Jul 26, 2002

    "Horses are the dumbest and meanest animals God ever strung a gut through and can be durned scary if your trying to practice needed medicine on them. Well just ramblin and like I said I couldn't see the picture but dont be so quick to make judgements if you aren't there. Oh yeah horses are dumb but I sure do like to hunt off a good one and chickens are way dumber but not as dangerous."(END QUOTE).

    Hoss, i don't know what part of the country you live in or come from, but, you will be "hard pressed" to find a cowboy on any of the ranches out west here that would even remotely agree with the above statement (about the horses),. I have cowboyed on one of the largest ranches in Oklahoma, my home, and am now here in Texas. We have done most of our own vet work, on our cattle, and horses as well, from pulling calves and foals, to doctoring everything you can think of. with the proper understanding of what you are doing, you can usually manage the situations very well. There are always exceptions of course, but, they are just that, "exceptions."

    If you have ever seen a cutting horse at work, you would know they are some of the smartest animals the good Lord has ever created. And very dedicated as well. Talk about 'dumb,' cattle and sheep take the prize. As for 'rodeo,' yeah, you stay your time and hope to come off clean, but that horse is doing what he does best.."buck,". That sure don't make him dumb. In fact most folks think 'we're the dumb ones' for even getting on in the first place. My son is begining to take up bull riding, even that bull is smart enough to know how to spin and turn to get the rider off, and then come back to stomp his guts out.

    I'm not douting your experiences, or your dad's vet abilites, (not at all), but they differ quite a bit from what i have been doing most my life.

    Really wished i had not jumped in here... as i have about 100 pages i would love to write at this point, and do not know how to get out of this one. But, if something tears up a fence, you build a better fence, or use a better pasture area, or place said animal in a round pen, or sell him. But we don't shoot them. (back to the goat thing).

    A deer hung in a fence is one thing, but a stupid goat, come on!

    My dog tried jumping over a barbed wire fence once, got hung up real bad... i did not shoot her, i got her out. There is always a solution with any animal that is a problem.

    But unfortunately, i have not yet found that solution with some 'people' yet. They seem to be harder to train than the animals!
    They seem to invent ways to see how they can kill.

    No, i am not a lilly white, that is anti hunting, and guns and pest control. I've been cowboying, and guiding hunts, since heck was a pup. I am just against "enjoying killing."

    There is always a lot of talk on here about "killing" and "enjoying it." Yet, we complain about terror attacks! Those who have come here to destroy this nation and the people in it. So we go to another country to detroy the enemy that would try to destroy us. This is one thing. This is something that 'must be done', to defend our freedom.
    Praise God for the Guts we got to always be ready to go and do it.

    But, any man who "enjoys killing", even the enemy, has placed himself in the same catagory as the one he has killed. Yes it does need to be done at times, and in these days we are in, it is surely the time to "defend." "But with honor, not with pleasure!"

    Any man who kills anything, when he can do other wise, is just plumb loco.

    There are some hard things to do on a ranch, things that seem to some, cruel and unfair, (to city folks), branding, de-horning, castorating, placing a 'twitch' on the nose of a horse that wants to kick your brains out when you try to shoe him, and he's mean as hades.

    But i gotta say, that even in all this... and much more, i have yet to find one 'honest cowhand', that gets his jolly's through the pain the animal may have to endure for a minute or two. What the heck happened to values man, and to having a moral charater inside us that says... "some times, killing is necessary, but i don't enjoy it!"

    Men or animals, i still cannot figure out why someone "enjoys" killing! I hope none of you ever have to kill a man. Perhaps some on here have had to do that, but i believe if they were honest about it, it made them sick to their stomache. To many "dirty harry" wantabe's in this world. Long on mouth, and short on morals. (not directed to any specific person here.. understand that clearly please).... :)

    if a man thinks he just has to go out and varmit hunt, and shoot and kill predators, man thats his business, more power to him, but to "enjoy the kill," sorry, but i cannot get that through my head at all. I used to varmit hunt, i used to take out a thing here and there, and then my Father reminded me in no uncertain terms, that we were hunters, not killers, never did it again.

    I will not condemn a man for what ever he is doing along these lines, but i just cannot get the grasp of "enjoying killing."

    Well, i best jump off. Don't know what i really accomplished here. i guess i wasn't really trying to accomplish anything. I ain't out to change anybody, or get in a fuss over all this. Just can't understand it. If a new book came out tomorrow, called "pleasure killing for fun or profit," wonder if it would be a best seller!

    Most of you boys know me on here. I ain't out to 'rake anyone,' not at all... just getting a gut full of this i guess.

    Outside of pest control...., folks are killing off everything they can find to kill.

    Man i just want to be able to sit on the horse at night in the canyons, or, sit on the porch, and hear a friendly coyote howlin..

    Some day, all this is going to be like what we did to the buffalo.
    "It will all be gone."

    "What will we enjoy killing then?"

    God's best to all of ya!
    This was not written to offend anyone!

  14. WalterGA

    WalterGA Millennium Member

    Jan 26, 1999
    Shooting that trapped animal would be about as sporting as shooting a deer @ 100 yds. or less, using a scoped rifle, when one is hiding in a tree stand. ("one" being the shooter, not the deer)
  15. ^6

    Very good post and logic canyonman. The PETA groups and their equals whats to ban us hunters from doing what we do and talk like above is their ammo to classify us all of man/woman who have no respect for life. Less not give them more ammo to feed their cause.
  16. gescalon

    gescalon Texas Ex

    Apr 10, 2001
    Grenwood, SC
    Add "waiting" near a feeder or salting a field with feed to that list.

    Notice the lack of the word HUNTING, much less Sportsman.
  17. Michigun

    Michigun Miss Michigan?

    Mar 1, 2001
    Michigan, USA
    A hunter hides in a tree stand for the closer in animals WalterGA… sometimes the game ends up being a little farther out… tain’t rocket science.

    My bow kill last year was a nice 8-point taken less then 10 yards out while I was sitting on the ground between two oaks. Is that “sporting” enough for ya?

    (A few years back during bow season I took a fairly nice buck around 5 yards out… I was also on the ground crouching in a fencerow.)
  18. ILikeFtLbs


    Nov 4, 2002
    Who cares if it's sporting?! That question would never even pop into my head. You hunt an animal you can be proud to have killed. Everyone's opinion on how to do that is going to be different, so there's no sense arguing on that.

    The real question here is, "Why the hell do you want to shoot a farm-goat?!"
  19. firminw


    Feb 27, 2004
    Like I said I was making some light hearted comments. Some of you guys are way to serious and really dont have a clue anyway. And Canyonman dont call me Hoss, in my rodeo days that was a surefire fight starter. How would you like it if I referred to you as something other than your handle, hoss. Lighten up and dont take comments so seriously and my Dad was a licensed vet, a Texas A & M graduate who did way more vet work than you'll ever see and from the time I was six I was his assistant so I've earned my stripes too hoss. When you grow up and become a real cowboy come and look me up.