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Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by mr00jimbo, Feb 24, 2013.
Ya, my bad, next time I make reference to current news topics I'll be sure to post a link.
Hey man -- I got your satirical reference to Biden the first time. I was making a satirical reply in return.
Do not forget, as most detractors seem to do, that the initial penetration is made possible by the effect of the pellets arriving "en masse". After they have impacted a barrier the pattern is very, very likely to widen considerable and then you are left with the characteristics of an individual pellet (of what ever diameter) that has been slowed considerably. Hardly the danger to the next barriers as it was to the first.
Uncle Joe, didn't Barry tell you that you weren't allowed to play on the internet without supervision?
Do you want another spanking from Michelle?
You win this round.
Use a Saiga 12 or VEPR 12 if you think a standard tube fed shotty is too slow.
For home defense, at living room ranges, I would much rather have my mossberg 500 than any of my glocks. No over penetration and ONE shot stops.
I hope I don't live next door to anybody who has plans to blaze away at an intruder with a rifle.
Please don't say "shotty".
The 590A1 has the heavy walled barrel because, as stated in this thread, the Navy/USMC are the primary purchasers and users of those shotguns and shipboard shotguns can get "dinged" going just about anywhere, on ladders, hatches, watertight door openings, name it. The barrel is meant to hold up to that.
As for the supertanker problem, the beauty in boarding a ship is that you get to see how big it is before you set out to it. The shotguns are always augmented by M-14 rifles and the bigger the vessel the more of them are issued out of the weapons lockers.
Depends on the rounds used in both.
Obsolete, probably won't ever be. Too cheap to buy, too easy to use, and too damn reliable.
But reading this thread from the beginning got me thinking.
Before we get into this know that I have an 870, a Colt 6920, and a SLR 107 all set-up for HD. I like them all.
1) if I had 8 rounds in my 12 gauge with some good #4 shot (or #1 personally) would I feel more comfortable with 8 one shot stops? If all center mass hits.
How many would argue that it takes (normally) 3-4 hits with a .223 to stop the BG. Wouldn't that make it close to even on the high capacity thing? I'm no expert, just going by some things I've been told, and it's just a question. Take it easy on me.
2) on the other side of the equation, those nine .30 (or whatever your load works out to be) may deliver more pellets/bullets (I've heard some say "1 shot from my shotgun has more payload than a .357 mag revolver". Well, there's 1 big problem, those pellets won't, and don't, expand like HP's will.
Now, me personally, I've got it down to this.
In my house and in my car, pistol (I like the attached light giving me the free hand in the house).
In the yard, 870. I like the chances of a 1 shot stop.
Coyote hunting, AR.
Hear something, but don't have a clue what it was, walking out with my AK, attached bright white light, Aimpoint micro.
Use what you want and are comfortable with. Be happy.
Here's a little truth to be heard here..........
No matter what you use for HD, you are preparing for the unknown.
Pick the weapon of your choice, and there is a possibility if, and when the time comes to use it......you could have made exactly the wrong choice.
Chances are that no matter what you choose, there will be plenty of possibilities where you could prevail with a variety of possible choices.
Depending on the timing, and when and where I might need to defend myself and family......it could end up being a shotgun, or a rifle, or a pistol, or a revolver. Any one of those things could mean I die.......and any one of those things could mean a bad guy gets stopped.
......it's all a gamble.
Nothing says "Prepare to be boarded" better in my opinion
Bravo sir, well said.
I don't know. A shotgun isn't a very intimidating weapon compared to putting a 5 inch round across the bow.
What are you some dizzy headed lib that rants about things turning into "the Wild West" or "Macho Men" out "Packing Heat?
Even though I'm not yo' man, you not mah gurl, I'ma call you my shoooooooooooty...
...and you're probably going to be stopping rounds with your upper torso when the **** goes down and you're still trying to decide "what to wear."
Pick one and roll with it.
The vast majority of humans, when shot with an M4, immediately hit the ground deader than ****.
You should re-read my post. According to the situation.
Are you one of those that think one weapon can do it all?