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Is The Crucifixion Overrated?

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by The Oracle, May 18, 2013.

  1. FCoulter


    Dec 19, 2011
    Sounds like you need to do some reading before making foolish post.
  2. Animal Mother

    Animal Mother Not Enough Gun

    Mar 22, 2004
    Christ was a 100% human who could walk on water, produce food out of thin air, raise the dead, and turn water into wine. Sounds like a witch to me. What does the Bible say should be done with witches?
    Did Jesus know, in advance, that he would be resurrected?
    Why do you become so confrontational and resort to the old "you just don't understand" evasion when people ask questions?

  3. Guss


    Jul 1, 2010
    If that were true, then one must ask oneself why it is so important to believe in a servant. After all, many people would have regarded themselves as servants of God.
  4. FCoulter


    Dec 19, 2011
    Hmmm was Moses human?

    Seems like alot of humans in the Bible were able todo miracles with the power of God.

    Guess you have never read that before, huh?
    Last edited: May 19, 2013
  5. Glock36shooter


    May 30, 2010
    I think the point he's making is that it really just depends on who wanted to accept it as the power of God doesn't it?

    What separates jesus healing the sick and a woman accused of witchcraft for having done the same? The fact that you want to believe it that way. Perhaps Moses was in league with Satan. Perhaps Jesus was as well. Perhaps Jesus was Satan in the flesh. Perhaps he was a false Messiah and wanted to turn as many people from God's true path as possible. Funny how a lot of Christians dismiss God's old Law because they favor Jesus' new covenant of grace instead isn't it? How many different materials is your current garment made of? The victor get's to write history in their favor. I think we can agree that Christianity was a victor in the battle of religions fighting for survival. Perhaps Christ was Satan and the best way he could devise to turn people away from God's Law and the covenant that God laid out for us was to become a more appealing, and approachable God himself and give man an easier path. The path of least resistance is always preferred by most. All you gotta do is believe and say you're sorry and all is forgiven.

    If something sounds too good to be true... it probably is.
    Last edited: May 19, 2013
  6. Heaven is not about being high and mighty. It is about being a servant to others.

    Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
    Matthew 20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
    Matthew 20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
    Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
  7. wingryder


    Oct 9, 2012
    28.420, -81.171
    So you spend a lifetime filled with guilt, self-loathing and shame to get to heaven.... only to become a servant? WTF?
  8. Animal Mother

    Animal Mother Not Enough Gun

    Mar 22, 2004
    Are you talking about the plagues sent against Egypt? Perhaps you haven't read the Bible, but Exodus makes it clear that those, and later events were the actions of God.

    "Then the Lord said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh, and tell him, Thus saith the Lord God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me. For if thou refuse to let them go, and wilt hold them still, Behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thy cattle which is in the field, upon the horses, upon the asses, upon the camels, upon the oxen, and upon the sheep: there shall be a very grievous murrain. And the Lord shall sever between the cattle of Israel and the cattle of Egypt: and there shall nothing die of all that is the children's of Israel.
    And the Lord appointed a set time, saying, To morrow the Lord shall do this thing in the land. And the Lord did that thing on the morrow, and all the cattle of Egypt died: but of the cattle of the children of Israel died not one." (Exodus 9:1-6)

    And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided. (Exodus 14:21)

    On the other hand, Jesus actions are attributed to him, not God,

    "Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it. And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim. And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it." (John 2:4-8)

    These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. (John 11:11)

    " And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full." (Matthew14:19-20)
  9. jad45


    May 26, 2004
    Park City, KS
    Nobody gets to heaven by works alone (self-loathing, or always doing good, or going to church every week). A Christian is, by definition, Christ-like. Any amount of study of Christ's life will show that He spent his life serving others -- especially those that didn't deserve it.

    There are plenty of Christ's own words urging us to throw off the bonds of slavery (sin) and follow Him -- to fear not. To think that after one is saved, one no longer sins is to truly miss what the Bible teaches about us humans.

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  10. There is a difference between being a son or a servant. A son obeys his Father because of love and respect. A servant serves because he is required to.

    Galatians 4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

    Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
    Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
    Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
    Galatians 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God .

    1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
  11. John 10:30

    Jesus and Father are one. Who's right? Matthew or John?
    Last edited: May 23, 2013
  12. Good question. The answer is how you interpret that word one. Here are some texts giving some insight into what sense the word one is being used.

    John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
    John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

    Obviously being one does not mean being the same entity. Because as the next text shows we will retain our identity.

    1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

    The apparent use of the word"one" therefore is more like intimate knowledge or relationship.