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Is My Recruiter Blowing Smoke???

Discussion in 'US Army Forum' started by ezterra, Oct 3, 2006.


  1. ezterra

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    Like other posts I've read, I've finally made the choice to do something I've wanted to do since I was a kid, join the Army. However, I'm a little different. I'm 31, I have a BS in Chemistry, and I've been working the last 7 years (since graduating college) as a chemist at a fortune 500 semiconductor company. I met with a recruiter and he told me all the incentives and stuff and got me to take the ASVAB. I took it last week and I scored a 96 percentile and 124 GT. He said I can pretty much do whatever I want. However, they were really urging me to do a Special Forces contract. Of course right of the bat, I thought to myself, "who wouldn't want to be a Green Beret."

    Then I started doing some research on SF selection and training. Holy cow, talk about some intense training. The recruiters kept building me up, saying that I am the type of person SF is looking for. And that 9 times out of 10, they talk recruits out of enlisting into Special Forces, but I would be a great fit, given my age and life experiences. Do you think the recruiter is being honest or just trying to hype me up?

    I am a very determined person, once I decide to do something. I'm at the point now determing whether this is for me or not, so please give some insight or advice. I should also mention that I do have a family, 3 kids and a wife who is excited as hell for the adventure that lays ahead of us. I'm also not your typical "chemisty geek". I did play football at a D-1 college while going to school, so I do have some idea of teamwork, hard work, and not giving up. Although I'm not in the same shape as my football playing days, I have been able to maintain a decent amount of fitness.

    So far, the recruiter says I meet the qualifications for SF provided my physical goes through fine. I do that on Wednesday. Thanks in advance.
     

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  2. whiskey_moodz

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    With your BS in Chemistry have thought about getting a commission instead of enlisting… You could be working at US Army Medical Research Institute.

    Remember it may be their Army but it is your career.. choose the path that you want to do.. I have nothing against in enlisting verse going the officer route, but you will kick yourself later when you are taking orders from someone whom is younger and less educated than yourself.

    Don’t let them tell you that you are over the age limit cause to become an officer because The Army has increased the maximum age for officer candidate school from twenty-nine to forty-two

    good luck.. and I hope this helps
     

  3. semperfiostoj

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    Sure, you may have the intellectual makings of an SF soldier but the Army knows that very few fresh faced soldiers make it through SFAS and when the new boot washes out of selection guess what he's reverted to? Infantry baby! Sounds to me like the Army is trying to fill in the boots of some much needed grunts that have been getting out left and right after being repeatedly stop-lossed and recalled for the past 4 years.

    I'm not saying that you don't have a chance but you have to realize that there are hard-chargers from all branches of the service that wash out of SFAS and being in moderately good shape won't cut it. Even being in the best shape in the world means nothing if you can't push yourself mentally without any outside influence or motivation. If you want to try, go for it! Just know the ins and outs of what you'd be getting yourself into.
     
  4. Boondocksaint37

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    Look at all the career fields and go with the one that interests you the most. You aren't going to make it through a selection course unless you really want to be there. I've always wanted to be a rockstar, but I can't sing ;) Just something to think about.

    Also look at the length of the training. You might not be seeing your family for a long while, and that can take its toll on SOME marriages.
     
  5. Hal9mm

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    He probably is, they hand out the 18X contracts to alot of guys. I went to OSUT with a guy who everyone use to call "Delta" the drills nick named him that because the guy was a weak POS who had a SF contract.

    I'm not saying your not a stud but just beware those recruiters lie their asses off.

    IMHO if you are really interested in SF put in your time in a infantry unit and learn then decide if you want to try for selection.
     
  6. nursetim

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    Great advice. We used to have a cadence call that basically said that on our first leave we would go and get a gun and shoot our recruiter. I forget the exact words to that cadence, it was spot on though. If you want to be in combat arms, go for it. Do what you would do for free. Thank you for your intrest in national service.
     
  7. army_eod

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    Forget it.

    Ask them for OCS or direct commission.

    I know the Army has relaxed its training standards, but SF is tough and you should capitalize on your education and go for OCS or direct commission.

    If the recruiters have issues with that, find out who the battalion commander is and ask them.

    These days you can get some leverage if you push. Obvious reasons...there is a war on.

    Don't let the big sign-on bonuses sway you. There is a reason they have to pay the bonuses.
     
  8. shawnt64

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    hey i just signed on as a 15t last weekend and i also have a bs in chemistry hahaha. unfortunately i am too old to get into OCS. anyway, my recruiter was very straight forward and gave me some great advice.

    well my hobbies are weight lifting, mountain biking, and running so i am in pretty good shape. with a resting pulse rate of 42 and 100/60bp, i was thinking ranger infantry. i then asked what happens if i bust out - straight to basic infantry. the recruiter went on and said that if i picked the mos i wanted after completion i could apply for ranger school. if i busted out, then i could always go back to my old mos. going back to being a crew chief on a black hawk isn't too bad :thumbsup:




    on a side note, there was another college grad riding with me to enlist. his recruiter also recommended special forces.



    so my plan is

    basic
    mos training - 6 months
    airborne school
    apply for the ranger school
     
  9. Lucafu1

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    hey shawn congrats on the great MOS and on going airborne too. but unless its changed you will not be able to go to ranger school as a 15t. the rule is/was that the only mos' in ranger batt (inf, cook, supply) can be in ranger batt. and ranger school is only for combat mos'. since aviation went to 15 series (used to be 67) maybe its different. i was in when it changed and i remember everyone was talking about being able to go to ranger school but since your in a mos thats not in ranger batt you could not go. now if you wanted to go inf then thats a diff story. i had a friend that was in the 82nd with me (he was in supply) he re-upd to go to ranger batt, converted to inf and wenter ranger school. i seen him in afghan 02, he jumped in and had his tab. he was actually on my acft for a mission. anyways you got a great job imo. and if you end up going to the 82nd make sure you have gone through ABN school. they dont jump anymore so now there are legs there and they do get made fun of all day im told (still have friends in the unit). i know its not nice but if you were there you would understand:tongueout:

    oh yeah if you really wanna do some high speed stuff, when you are in AIT ask your drill sgt about 160th SOAR (special ops aviation regt). they are the big dogs when it comes to aviation. bad ass customers (SF, rangers, operators (D boys), CIA, seals, and so on). if i would have stayed in thats where i would have gone next. actually they usually pick up all the distinguished honor grads from AIT. i was a D.honor grad but had ABN school in my contract so that stopped me from going there.

    go for distinguished grad, im sure you can do it.:thumbsup:
     
  10. 4StringSlinger

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    Well, what do YOU want to do?

    Yes, the recruiter is going to say whatever he has to in order to meet a quota, so **** him. Do your research, if you are interested in Special Operations I recommend visiting the forums at professionalsoldiers.com and socnetcentral.com. Find out what you want to do and tell the recruiter, not the other way around...and make sure to GET IT IN YOUR CONTRACT.

    That being said, SF is looking for smart, motivated guys. They are looking for folks who are different, can think outside the box, have critical thinking skills, and can think clearly in stressful situations.

    The training is hard, but it's nothing compared to actually being a SF soldier. You will be gone, alot, and your family will not know where you are most of the time. You will live, train, and fight in very austere conditions, alot.

    Guys have gone through the Q much older than you, so age isn't as much of an issue as your willingness and ability to adapt mentally and physically, keep your composure, and stay motivated.

    Unless you are 110% sure you want to serve in SF, I would look elsewhere. It sounds as if you will be a benefit to the Army no matter what you choose.

    Good luck.
     
  11. Hal9mm

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    i'm confused are you going to Ranger Batt?
     
  12. .40 caliber

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    Hey Lucaful, thats kind of incorrect. The other day I went to my unit area and there was a new flyer on the wall from the 75 Regiment. They are pretty much looking for any mos to join them. Quartermaster,
    mechanics even transportation. Igave it a brief thought but I dont know.

    You are right about the Night Stalkers, they are the big dogs and the best at what they do.
     
  13. shawnt64

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    nope just thought it would be interesting to apply for after i got out of ait for 15t. now being a crew chief for the 160th soar would be a really nice :thumbsup:
     
  14. Lucafu1

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    can you verify that for me? i know what your saying but thats the trickey part. the ranger regt does have cupply, pac, motor pool, cooks, and all that personal in regt. every unit does. this is why i agree thats one way you can get to the regt and then get a slot for ranger school. but since im thinking as a aviation mechanic there was no way for one of us to get in the ranger regt because they dont have aircraft. so we were never given a opportunity to ever go to ranger school. its probably the way i worded it. sorry.
    or maybe it did change but ive only been out a yr and a half.

    good luck to everyone who joined and whos serving. i appreciate it.
     
  15. justinhcannon

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    Here's my two cents...
    SF would be a cool-as-heck contract, but you have to think of something. The average green beret was already in 5-10 years or more when he went to selection. No experienced operator is going to cherish you as a cherry not only to SF but to the Army in general. I spent 4 years in, over a 13 months of which in was in 1st Ranger Battalion. Ranger Batt and Ranger School are two different animals and I wish people knew that before signing up for stuff or telling other people about things. I signed up April 2001 with a Ranger contract. Guess what...it had NOTHING to do with Ranger School. Did I know that? Nope. It means you go OSUT as an Infantryman. If you fail, you go home, if you pass that you go to Airborne School. If you fail Airborne you go to needs of the Army (Korea or Ft. Stewart, maybe worse), if you pass that you go to R.I.P. (Ranger/Regimental Indoctrination Program-anywhere from 3-5 weeks of absolute H E L L). If you fail RIP...God help you they will send you anywhere they need bodies. If you pass...congrats you become a Ranger and wear a tan beret and now you are one bad mamajama. Ranger School will not make you a Ranger. Graduating Ranger School makes you Ranger Qualified...which means you wear a Ranger Tab...Slap a number and letter at the end of your MOS...and GO BACK TO YOUR OLD JOB! Alot of people can go to Ranger School and alot of people can go to RIP. The MOS list changes every now and then, so make sure you research it. I know this really doesn't have alot to do with what you're asking, but I say some responses about Rangers and had to say something.
    Something else you might want to consider that has already been said. Any job in Special Operations takes a toll on families. It's strange the way "adventure" works in the Army. If you are in Special Operations...there won't be alot of adventure for your family. You, yes, but not the family. Both my parents were enlisted. They were US ARMY intel, and we travelled EVERYWHERE. I've been to more countries than states. I joined as a Ranger...and never left Georgia except for training ops and combat missions to ugly places. If you are an operator, you will see the world alright...the third-world. But you're family will be stuck wherever you're duty station is, with all the bills...and then there is Jodie. I'm not trying to storm on your parade, but it's not a job for everyone. Heck, the Army isn't for most people. Especially if you have an education, get a regular job in the Army...something that will help you get a job on the outside. You also have to remember that recruiters are paid to get recruits and they are rewarded for bodies. They might not be lying, but they can't predict everything. I hope this helps and hasn't confused.
     
  16. ezterra

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    Thanks everyone for the great advice. Although it sounds cool as hell to wear a green beret, I decided that the family sacrafice was not for me. Especially since my kids did not grow up in the military environment/culture. So it would be a huge change for my kids.

    Anyway, I got sworn in yesterday. My MOS is 89D, Explosives Ordinance Disposal. I think this will fit in well with my Chemistry background and my fascination with blowing things up. I ship off on October 26. Please pray for us because this is a huge sacrafice and change in life for us.

    On a side note, I did not go directly to OCS because I would not get any of the incentives I would when enlisting. Mainly, my student loans would not be paid off if I went in as an officer, and that is a HUGE deal to me.
     
  17. justinhcannon

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    "Fascination of blowing things up"

    :burn: :50cal:
    Sounds fun to me!
     
  18. semperfiostoj

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    What do you mean by having your student loans paid off? Do you mean the GI Bill or an enlistment bonus? Because you would still get the GI Bill as an officer and the greater pay would more than make up for an enlistment bonus after Uncle Sam's piece is taken out. You would start off making roughly double what you will as a working man and you won't be forced to take orders from overzealous wet behind the ear NCOs that are much younger than you.

    If you're looking our for what's best for your family, I would take another look at the officer path.
     
  19. justinhcannon

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    Don't forget if you get a bonus and get an early discharge...you get to pay the Army back! Your recruiter might tell you "Oh, you'll get half once you are assigned to your unit and complete training, and the rest will be divided annually for the remainder of your enlistment. Well...I got the whole bonus lump sum my first year in and got out two years early...now Uncle Sam wants eight grand.
     
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    Only if His lips are moving!:shocked: