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Is Hornady Critical Duty the answer?

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by gofastman, Aug 15, 2012.

  1. gofastman

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    I really like the 9mm 147gr HST (I use the +P version because they are coming out of a sub compact barrel)

    However, I want a round that offers a bit more penetration,
    is the 135gr+P critical duty round a good choice?
     
  2. ABNAK

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    Firing the +P 147gr HST from a short barrel basically drops it to a standard pressure velocity, so in effect you're firing regular 147gr HST's. In other words, if you like the penetration of the standard 147gr HST's from a 4" barrel then you will be getting *approximately* the same performance from your short barrel with the +P's.

    The Hornady's do not expand to the degree of the HST so yes, you should get more penetration.
     


  3. Adamz04

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    If penetration is your goal they may be a good choice. They are not big expanders, but they seem to be constructed well
     
  4. dkf

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    Use the standard pressure 147gr HST, you will get more penetration versus the +P version. You can get 50 147gr HSTs for around $30 per 50 and the critical duty around $20 per 20. Big price difference and the HST is a far superior design IMO.
     
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2012
  5. youngdocglock

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    Isnt the critical duty just the critical defense with a larger plug?
     
  6. Andy W

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    It's a heavier bullet too. Critical Defense 9mm uses a 115 grain bullet. Critical Duty is 135 grain.


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  7. dkf

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    Nope.
     
  8. gofastman

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    That is my theory too.

     
  9. NEOH212

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    Nope. Get a street proven round with a good track record.

    Your welcome.
     
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2012
  10. gofastman

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    what top teir, modern JHP design in 9mm will penetrate significantly deeper than the 147gr HST
     
  11. dkf

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    Look at the 147gr Hornady XTP loads.(Custom or TAP) The XTP is designed to achieve around 1.5X expansion which helps to increase penetration vs a bullet like the HST which expands to a larger diameter. As a said before in such a short barrel the standard pressure 147gr HST should provide the extra penetration.

    A 147gr Std Pressure HST fired from a Kahr CW9 into gel. Over 15" of penetration.

    [​IMG]
     
  12. tacdriver22mk2

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    my choice for 9mm is ranger t NON BONDED +p+ 127 gr its awfully close to some 357's

    50 rounds for 27 bucks on the first thing that came up on bing i dont remember what i payed for my stash

    in my opinion that combination of the crushing force from the mushroomed bullet and the broadhead like action of those "talons" thus i choose it for everything but sub 9 cause you need bone crushing penetration not expansion

    if your using one of those wimpy non +p+ rated guns *cough any thing but glock*
    then a nice +p or standard pressure option of your persuasion in whatever weight you want

    my second choice is the classic speer gold dot in whatever flavor hst's are good too
     
  13. gofastman

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    Did you read the opening thread at all? :upeyes:

    The XTP is great and all, and I love its design philosophy!
    However, I dont think its in the same "top tier" class as an HST or Gold Dot for the concrete jungle.
    Im wondering If the Critical Duty stuff will offer the great penetration of the XTP design, but maintain the ultra reliable expansion characteristics of Rangers, Gold Dots, HST's, etc.
    at least according to their track records and tons of ballistic testing.

    Welcome to my ignore list :wavey:
     
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2012
  14. cowboy1964

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    I would NOT pick Ranger-T 127+P+ if I were going for maximum penetration. Then again, it penetrates very far during the times it fails to expand (which appears to be quite often).

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSY018CXRi8"]Winchester Ranger T-Series 9mm +P+ 127 gr JHP AMMO TEST - YouTube[/ame]
     
  15. dkf

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    The XTP is a reliable expanding bullet, I would trust it more than any of the Ranger designs for expansion reliability. Sure the XTP is not a wiz bang new design but it works and works well.

    If it were me I would not be going with a very deep penetrating bullet (like much over 15") in the "concrete jungle" but that is just my preference.
     
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2012
  16. Quarter Tank

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    I carry 147 HST from my G19. I have however began to carry 124 +p Gold Dots and feel adequately armed.


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  17. unit1069

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    From all I've read both rounds will serve quite well in a self-defense situation.
     
  18. gofastman

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    dont get me wrong here, I love the XTP, but it has been shown more than a few times that it has problems with heavy clothing, also I don't feel Hornady pushes their bullets fast enough for them to operate properly out of a full size gun, let alone a sub-compact barrel.
    Im of the opinion that 13-18" of penetration is the ideal amount, Im not asking anyone to agree with it, its just what I want