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Is anyone UNDECIDED on the Presidential candidates?

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#1 ·
I've been reading all the posts around the Obama and McCain and began to wonder...

Is there anyone in this forum that is still undecided?
 
#54 · (Edited)
This thread seems to be bait for "lets pounce on whoever says they're undecided or voting for Obama."

I wish a different Republican candidate was picked, like Ron Paul or Mitt Romney... but I don't think either candidate is going to do a stellar job if elected. I have decided to vote Republican because I think that the core principals pushed by the Republican party will be better in this current situation than the Democratic offering.

I have a problem with people saying that you are "voting for Obama" if you don't vote for McCain. Your vote is yours to cast; it doesn't matter what other people think your vote should be.

A vote is simply a statement of who you think is the best (or better) candidate for the job. Some people (like me this time) may choose to vote for a candidate they can live with, that has the best chance of getting elected. However, if 30% of the population votes for a third party, I don't think they threw their votes away- they just made a very powerful statement that people are sick and tired of the two-party system, and it sets a precedent for more people widening their options. It also makes elected officials take notice, and they may start taking these other interests into consideration.

I always thought proportional representation would be a neat way to distribute seats in Congress- that would allow more than two parties the opportunity to get a say in legislation, and would make (ideally) be a more accurate representation of voters' interests. In other words, if the Libertarian party got 10% of the vote, they would get 10% of the seats in Congress.
 
#55 · (Edited)
if 30% of the population voted 3rd party(assuming a vast majority of them voted for a specific party) we would not have a repulicrat president.

I am going to assume d3athp3nguin believes the republicans push core values of conservatism, but I will respectfully disagree 100%. There is nothing conservative about fighting preemptive war, overspending, bloating government, repressing liberties, pushing socialism and on and on and on.

We must realize the dems and reps do not give a **** about any citizen in this country, at least not you and me or anyone not worth hundreds of millions.

100 trillion in current and promised debt
500-1000 Military bases throughout the world
The Fed ran by private banksters that inflate and steal saver's money through inflation(tax)

Those are the core issues of this country and none are ever mentioned by the two party system. The citizens are getting the government they deserve.


Mccain is NOT pro gun.
 
#56 · (Edited)
if 30% of the population voted 3rd party(assuming a vast majority of them voted for a specific party) we would not have a repulicrat president.

I am going to assume d3athp3nguin believes the republicans push core values of conservatism, but I will respectfully disagree 100%. There is nothing conservative about fighting preemptive war, overspending, bloating government, repressing liberties, pushing socialism and on and on and on.

We must realize the dems and reps do not give a **** about any citizen in this country, at least not you and me or anyone not worth hundreds of millions.

100 trillion in current and promised debt
500-1000 Military bases throughout the world
The Fed ran by private banksters that inflate and steal saver's money through inflation(tax)

Those are the core issues of this country and none are ever mentioned by the two party system. The citizens are getting the government they deserve.


Mccain is NOT pro gun.
As for McCain's voting record on gun control, it appears to be overwhelmingly in favor of more gun rights:
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Gun_Control.htm

Is he of the "2nd amendment is my carry permit" type? Nope- but his voting record in recent years has been pretty consistently pro-gun, and he has publicly stated numerous times while campaigning that he would not support any AWB (as opposed to Obama dodging the issue or advocating "common sense" gun legislation). When it comes to gun control, I'll support the candidate who stands to lose support for going back on his word, compared to a candidate who skirted around the issue so he can vote against it with little repercussion.

With respect to the economy, I lost faith in both candidates when they supported the bailout. To me at that point, it came down to picking a few issues that I cared about and seeing which of the two was most likely to support my views on those issues. Like many people here, gun rights are a very important issue to me- so that's an influential factor in my vote. In the future I may decide to stop playing the "red vs blue" game, but for now I'll vote with one of the two main parties.

In any case, I sympathize with your frustration at the two-party system. For some people it's "which one (of two) do I support," for others it's "lesser of two evils," and for others it's "I don't buy into this system, I'm voting for X." Which people are right? :dunno: Depends on what your priorities are. When enough people decide that it is a high enough priority to shuffle things up in government, then votes will reflect that. The big issue then, is coordinating such efforts from the bottom up; cause you know that kind of change won't happen from the top down.

Edit: then again, Bob Barr and Ron Paul are looking pretty good... :supergrin:
 
#58 ·
People do not hate us because of our morals, they hate us because we occupy their lands and strongarm their natural resources from them. Start with the CIA and what it has done in South America, then move to the Middle East. If you still think we can stomp all over the world and there won't be consequences, I can't help you.
well stated johnmeredith.
First of all, I apologize if this is a personal attack on you, meshmdz; your political views aren't terribly popular here, true, but they are yours, and as a human being with free choice and an American citizen with the right to express such, you can't be faulted for doing so.

Based on the above, and your reactions on another thread, I question whether you are morally qualified to be a commissioned officer in our Nation's military. Why would you choose a career in the armed services if you agree with the views above? You know very well that you might be ordered to take part in missions which involve 'stomping all over the world,' as JohnMeredith puts it, yet by your own admission in the thread I mentioned, you will obey ANY order you're given, regardless of your own convictions--up to and including disarming your fellow citizens at gunpoint.

It would be hypocritical enough to join the military in any capacity, but you're training to be a leader of men, whose lives could depend on your judgment and discretion. Say you give an order, and your PSG or (if you're a company commander) your 1SG, who are soldiers who will be likely much older and more experienced than you, tell you their consciences will not permit them to carry out your order--they believe them to be unlawful as well as immoral--what then? You'll be expected, naturally, to be an example of both integrity and good judgment as well as an authority figure.

So...why the decision to be a military officer? And if it's not too prying, which branch and MOS were you applying for? Maybe people here who have served in your chosen field can provide you with more input.

Ho-kay, back on topic...

Hm. I have to admit I've been more convinced by some of McCain's recent interviews and talking points. If he'd only tighten up his stance on illegal aliens I'd feel more reassured. Joe the plumber has thrown some fresh dung onto the fire for Obama, too. :supergrin:
 
#59 ·
First of all, I apologize if this is a personal attack on you, meshmdz; your political views aren't terribly popular here, true, but they are yours, and as a human being with free choice and an American citizen with the right to express such, you can't be faulted for doing so.

Based on the above, and your reactions on another thread, I question whether you are morally qualified to be a commissioned officer in our Nation's military. Why would you choose a career in the armed services if you agree with the views above? You know very well that you might be ordered to take part in missions which involve 'stomping all over the world,' as JohnMeredith puts it, yet by your own admission in the thread I mentioned, you will obey ANY order you're given, regardless of your own convictions--up to and including disarming your fellow citizens at gunpoint.

It would be hypocritical enough to join the military in any capacity, but you're training to be a leader of men, whose lives could depend on your judgment and discretion. Say you give an order, and your PSG or (if you're a company commander) your 1SG, who are soldiers who will be likely much older and more experienced than you, tell you their consciences will not permit them to carry out your order--they believe them to be unlawful as well as immoral--what then? You'll be expected, naturally, to be an example of both integrity and good judgment as well as an authority figure.

So...why the decision to be a military officer? And if it's not too prying, which branch and MOS were you applying for? Maybe people here who have served in your chosen field can provide you with more input.

Ho-kay, back on topic...

Hm. I have to admit I've been more convinced by some of McCain's recent interviews and talking points. If he'd only tighten up his stance on illegal aliens I'd feel more reassured. Joe the plumber has thrown some fresh dung onto the fire for Obama, too. :supergrin:
:rofl::rofl: So let me get this straight.... Because I will follow the orders given to me by my commanders and have my own political beliefs that are backed by FACT I am not qualified to be a military officer? Give me a break. I support the US and our military and even though some practices by our gov. or military I might not agree with does NOT mean that I will not do as I am ordered. You are a complete fool if you think that i am not qualified to be an officer in the Army based on my dissent for certain things our gov. has done in the past. Just because someone doesnt agree with their nation's foreign policy on all fronts doesnt mean they are qualified to lead soldiers.
 
#61 ·
:rofl::rofl: So let me get this straight.... Because I will follow the orders given to me by my commanders and have my own political beliefs that are backed by FACT I am not qualified to be a military officer? Give me a break. I support the US and our military and even though some practices by our gov. or military I might not agree with does NOT mean that I will not do as I am ordered. You are a complete fool if you think that i am not qualified to be an officer in the Army based on my dissent for certain things our gov. has done in the past. Just because someone doesnt agree with their nation's foreign policy on all fronts doesnt mean they are qualified to lead soldiers.

Yeah, it sounds like you just about got it. Maybe 'traitor' is a little too harsh yet, but 'traitor-ish'. Yup.
 
#62 ·
#64 ·
Anyone who votes Obama deserves their second amendment to be taken away from them and sadly enough it seems as it will happen once Democrats gain super majority in DC.

People in U.S are so dumb and ignorant. What crappy times we live in.

I live in CA and already voted for McCain even though I know my vote wont make any difference in this left wing idiotic state.
 
#67 ·
Why I'm voting Democrat:

I'm voting democrat because Barbara Walters is my idol and so is P.Diddy.

I'm voting Democrat because English has no place being the official language in America.

I'm voting Democrat because I'd rather pay $4 for a gallon of gas than allow drilling for oil off the coasts of America.

I'm voting Democrat because I think the government will do a better job of spending my money than I could.

I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq, I know the Islamic terrorists will stop trying to kill us because they'll think we're a good and decent country.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe people who can't tell us if it will
rain in two or three days, can now tell us the polar ice caps will
disappear in ten years if I don't start riding a bicycle, build a windmill or inflate my tires to proper levels.

I'm voting Democrat because it's alright to kill millions of babies as
long as we keep violent, convicted murderers on death row alive.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe businesses in America should not be
allowed to make profits. Businesses should just break even and give the
rest to the government so politicians and bureaucrats can redistribute the money the way they think it should be redistributed.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe guns, and not the people misusing them, are the cause of crimes and killings.

I'm voting Democrat because when someone with a weapon threatens my family or me, I know the government can respond faster through a call to 911 than I can with a gun in my hand.

I'm voting Democrat because oil companies' 5% profit on a gallon of gas are obscene, but government taxes of 18% on the same gallon of gas are just fine.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four elitist liberals should rewrite the Constitution every few months to suit some fringe element that could never get their agenda past voters.

I'm voting Democrat because illegal aliens are not criminals, are not sucking up resources through government aid, hospital services, education,
or social services, but are just people trying to make a better life by coming to America illegally. We can't blame them for that, can we?

I'm voting Democrat because the same teacher that didn't teach my child to read can reasonably educate them about sex.

I'm voting Democrat because my trial lawyer's crippling multi-million dollar lawsuits against doctors, hospitals, drug companies, and HMO's will make health insurance and medicine much more affordable.

I'm voting Democrat because Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, and Jesse Jackson will end racism once and for all.

I'm voting Democrat because Christians in the Republican Party are intolerant, theocratic warmongers and atheists like William Ayers have never hurt anybody.

I'm voting Democrat so that no family member of mine will die in a hospital bed. They will still be waiting in line for Obama's socialized medicine, so they will never actually make it into a hospital bed.

I'm voting Democrat because I like eminent domain and big business and government kicking me out of my home and taking my land.

I'm voting Democrat because everyone knows that raising taxes at the top won't hurt people at the bottom.

I'm voting Democrat because skin color and good oratory skills are more important than judgment and experience.

I'm voting Democrat because protecting barren wasteland is more important than energy independence.

I'm voting Democrat because my college professor told me that America is evil and should give up its place in the world.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that Cuba, Russia, and China should be on the United Nations Human Rights Council.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that everyone is essentially good -- even people like Ahmadinejad who call for the destruction of Israel. He just needs a little understanding.

I'm voting Democrat because we should all be forced to drive ugly cars with the horsepower of a riding lawnmower.

I am voting Democrat because I believe in change; although I don't know WHAT the change will be, or HOW it will happen, AND I am pretty sure that I won't WANT to actually change anything I do, but still....I believe in change.

I'm voting Democrat because the government knows how to raise children better than parents do.

I'm voting Democrat because I want the rich to work harder, give me their money, and pay for my services so I don't have to.

I'm voting Democrat because I don't give to charity or do volunteer work and then I complain about how selfish everyone else is.

I'm voting Democrat because I've seen welfare help so many poor people become self-sufficient and upwardly mobile.

I'm voting Democrat because I'm not driven enough to realize my dreams without the government holding my hand the entire way.

I'm voting Democrat because I want America to be Europe's prosthetic limb.

I'm voting Democrat because I think we all should be equal...equally unhappy and unsuccessful.

I'm voting Democrat because life just isn't fair and I deserve what other people have without working for it.

I'm voting Democrat because I like hearing the word "Change" 50 million times in presidential debate, seeing the word on celebrities' t-shirts and bags, on signs outside of million dollar houses, and know that the only change that is going to happen is that I'm going to work 40 hours a week and not even see a penny of my paycheck because taxes will go through the roof!!! YAY!!!!

I'm voting Democrat because Barack Obama is better than you, and he knows it!

I'm voting Democrat because I like how democrats can cause financial crises' like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and have the temerity to blame them on Republicans.

I'm voting Democrat because Obama was endorsed by Hamas and terrorists endorsements are a must to achieve world peace.

I am voting Democrat since I believe those who are lazy, druggies, high school drop outs, etc. should be entitled to the money I wake up every morning and work my ass off to make!

I'm voting Democrat because fire can't melt steel.

I'm voting Democrat because for some reason "change, change, change"..is the mantra for the obama camp...so, since he won't explain what 'change' is...i guess he's asking for parking meter fare?...i have three quarters in my wallet.

Im voting democrat because it's the COOL thing to do. I'm hip and in the majority.

Im voting Democrat because I listen to and believe all the celebrities/actors who so passionately want Obama to win because I can't think for myself at all. The same celebrities who WE make rich because we GO SEE their movies and watch their T.V. shows put millions of dollars into their pockets! but...these multi-million dollar celebs are so disheartened by AMERICAN ways and the capitalistic economy we have and the world will come to and end if another Republican comes into office...hmmmmm...

I'm voting Democrat because I'm a dumbass and because "Hillary said so"

I'm voting Democrat because I won't be subjected to any criteria for meeting U.S. terrorists and having a cool-aid with any of them, and one last critical factor.

I'm voting Democrat because of the War on Terror. We have not been attacked once since Sept. 11, 2001, and that was caused by Bill Clinton, but I still don't feel safe.

I'm voting Democrat because communist economics always work. Look how well off the Soviet Union is right now. That wall in Berlin has never looked better.

I'm voting Democrat because I agree with Joe Biden, that it really is patriotic to pay more taxes. So I'm going to pay a "direct tax." Instead of wasting time giving it to the government for redistribution, I will give my money to derelicts who loiter outside of liquor stores and methadone clinics. That's where it ends up anyway. YES WE CAN ... screw up this country like never before.




I think I am voting Republican
 
#68 ·
I voted for Obama. To be exact I voted a straight Democrat ticket. I hope America gets pushed so far to the left so fast it will make people sick. The reason being, this country must be tried to be socialist/communist while there are still enough people to resist. Hopefully we will be able to crush this madness before the soc/commie pinkos take over. Just my opinion.
 
#69 ·
Sorry to here some gun owners are voting democratic. Sounds to me as if they are taking their freedom for granted.
I work with some one who says he is concerned about the economy, however he has two foreign cars in his driveway and didn't buy anything other than food and gas this past year.
 
#72 ·
Senator Obama is highly educated
So.. he reads books?

Do you think he would debate the 2nd Amendment with Ted Nugent if Ted wore a suit and got a haircut?

It blows my mind that a guy with no real world experience can lull people into a state of euphoria simply by words alone. He got the perfect storm. Unpopular president, economic hardship, and a stereotype grumpy old man to run against.

This guy should not even be in the running based upon his resume and all the things in his past that would have flat out killed anyone else in the news. That is my biggest concern this past election season. What the media has become is simply frightening.
 
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