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Into Uncharted Waters: SBR

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by doc540, Jan 15, 2010.

  1. doc540

    doc540

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    I'm jumping through all the required hoops so my new Sabre Defence lower can consumate its relationship with my new SD 11.5" upper.

    pics soon

    Looks just like this but without the perm front sight. Has fold down front and rear BUIS.

    [​IMG]

    Further development of my hurricane zombie home defense system.
     
  2. Jon_R

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    I am about 2 months into my wait on a SBR Tax Stamp. Not sure how long it takes but my first build is a 10" 9MM AR. I don't have any of it other then the stripped lower at this point. I need to send it out to get engraved.

    Did you do a Trust setup?
     

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  3. doc540

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    Yep, going the Trust route.
     
  4. Archer-one

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    Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but what does "Trust" mean?
    I'm new to all this and just started dabbling into the terrible "black rifle" thing. :cool:
     
  5. DScottHewitt

    DScottHewitt EMT-B

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    It somewhat simplifies the NFA/AOW process.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

    NFA items may also be transferred to corporations (or other legal entities such as a trust). When the paperwork to request transfer of an NFA item is initiated by an officer of a corporation, a signature from local law enforcement is not required, and fingerprint cards and photographs do not need to be submitted with the transfer request. Therefore, an individual who lives in a location where the chief law enforcement officer will not sign a transfer form can still own an NFA item if he or she owns a corporation. This method has downsides, though, since it is the corporation (and not the principal) that owns the firearm. Thus, if the corporation ever dissolves, it must transfer its NFA firearms to the owners. This event would be considered a new transfer and would be subject to a new transfer tax.
     
  6. It is simple if you do your homework and set the trust up properly. At least that's what I am told. I am dancing all around the pool but am anxious to jump in.

    Congrats on taking the plunge and good luck, I'll be joining in soon.
     
  7. kdcgrohl

    kdcgrohl HK-aholic...

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    Filling out my second sbr paperwork now(first sbr AR)... So exciting lol, just had my passport pics done today.
     
  8. doc540

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    I hope your avatar isn't one of them.:rofl:
     
  9. Archer-one

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    Thanks for clearing that up. I've heard of that, it may be a route to consider.
     
  10. lawman800

    lawman800 Juris Glocktor

    Don't matter... NFA tax stamp or not or trust or individual, SBRs are out of the question for us trapped behind enemy lines in Kommiefornistan. I think we can get SBS and AOW though.
     
  11. Javelin

    Javelin Got Glock? Silver Member

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    Congrats. I've got to warn you that your other ARs will be jealous and probably not even see the light of day very often after you get your SBR.

    :wavey:
     
  12. HomeLandPatriot

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    I bought a rifle with eventually SBR'ing it down the road in mind......

    can one just buy and install the shorter barrel, then apply for the tax stamp and when it comes through designate the now shorter barreled rifle as an sbr?

    or must one buy an sbr upper?
     
  13. Jon_R

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    I would not posses an AR barrel that is short without having some valid explanation on how I would legally use it or have the tax stamp. In my case I have a couple virgin AR stripped lowers. I could honestly claim my barrel or upper is for a pistol build while I wait on my tax stamp. It is pretty low risk if you never take it out of your house. ATF would have to show up with a warrant to search you guns before it could be an issue but having a Short Upper next to a lower without a tax stamp and no place else you could legally use it might be "constructive intent".
     
  14. NeverMore1701

    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

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    My plan is to start the build as a pistol while the paperwork is being processed, and then just slap on a regular carbine tube and stock when the stamp comes in.

    But that's still a ways down the line.
     
  15. JK-linux

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    It would cool if someone started a "closed" thread documenting their experiences in getting a SBR permit, buying the weapon, etc... The process seems a bit overwhelming, so I've been tempted, but never tried.
     
  16. Hef

    Hef Stop Obammunism

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    No. That would be an unregistered SBR. Even owning a lower receiver (stripped or complete) and a short barrel upper (whether sold as a pistol upper or not) would be considered an unregistered SBR.

    Apply, wait for tax stamp, then build.

    I'm waiting on my tax stamp for a 10.5" AR SBR. My examiner told me that they're really busy so it will be a few months.
     
  17. Glockdude1

    Glockdude1 Federal Member CLM

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    Caution:

    When entering the world of NFA, it gets ADDICTIVE!!

    Red ALL the boxes.
    [​IMG]

    :cool:
     
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  18. highprimer

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    HAHA

    I wonder if the person approving your form giggled a bit to themselves.
     
  19. lawman800

    lawman800 Juris Glocktor

    That's awesome... I guess the examiner on your case also is prepared for the Zombie Apocalypse.
     
  20. Jon_R

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    If you have a virgin stripped lower you can build a pistol out of it if you wanted. To do so (if a pistol AR is legal in your area) would not require a SBR Tax Stamp.