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Internet Atheism: The Thrill is Gone

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by Paul7, May 23, 2012.


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  1. Paul7

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    You mean this?

    "Here are some web traffic graphs from leading atheists websites taken from the leading website web traffic companies of Alexa, Quantcast and Compete"
     
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    Yeah, about that ... It's interesting that they don't show data for comparable pro-creationism sites.
     

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    "....which indicated that each day there are now 800 less atheists in world, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostics) in the world and 83,000 additional people professing to be Christians."

    Why is it that those "professing" to be christians only count when you are trying to show strength in numbers? If someone who professes to be a christian does something very un-christianlike, your standard response is that they aren't a 'true christian'.
     
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    Well it's nice to know if an atheist commits a heinous crime that you will be the first to say "that was very atheist of him"
     
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    First, you're assuming that "law abiding" is in the set of attributes of theists and not in the set of attributes of atheists. Which is demonstrably not true (That is not an attribute locked to whether or not someone is a theist or an atheist). For proof of this, consider that for both theists and atheists, there have been people who committed and were arrested and convicted of crimes, and people who haven't.

    Second, your comment misses the point entirely (although this wouldn't be the first time someone has thrown a verbal jab rather than an actual considered response), the point is that there's a double standard: When it's good to have more people be Christian for a particular argument, everybody who professes to be Christian gets counted, when it's bad to have a particular person count as a Christian, the claim is made that they're not "true Christians".

    In other words, either count them all, or don't, don't do it one way when it's convenient and another when it's not.
     
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    So, I take it you'll be counting uncle Joe Stalin as one of your own from now on?

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    If he actually didn't believe in deities, then he actually didn't believe in deities.

    That does not mean that taking his actions and saying that all atheists would do so is any more justifiable than taking the actions of a single member of any group (Christians included) and alleging that they will all act like that one member (Without justification. For instance, I don't think it's unreasonable to guage a higher probability of prayer for Christians vs. atheists. That doesn't mean that anyone should claim a higher probability of criminal acts from atheists, especially given that data suggests otherwise).
     
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    Beat me to it.

    If a socialist suddenly wins a bundle of money, doesn't share with anyone and establishes a capitalist business enterprise and votes a Republican ticket, is he still a socialist?
     
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    Then this entire thread is meaningless, as there's no point in claiming that anyone can state that 83,000 people are suddenly becoming "true Christians". There's absolutely no way to measure that, by the criteria you are stating.
     
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    The heck of it is I agree with this point.

    I was responding to Sarge1400's post. I wouldn't have entered the argument until I saw someone not making sense merely because they got a chance to bash Christians.

    I wish Sarge would answer the question I posed in my last post in this thread.
     
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    I don't see his post as 'merely because they got a chance to bash Christians'.

    He was stating that the standard changes based on whether or not it's convenient for professors of Christianity to be counted.

    Paul7, for instance, posted this thread, yet he also made this post:

    I don't consider Paul7's behavior to mean that all people who profess to be Christians will behave as he does. However, I do see that as direct evidence that criticizing "Count 'em if they say they are when it's good for us, claim they're not really if it's bad for us" is valid. It's not that all Christians do it. It's that some people who profess to be Christian right here on this board do it. (Edited to add: Note that Sarge's post clearly says "you", and "your standard response" and Paul7 is the OP. I don't view that as indicting Christians. I view that as responding to Paul7. Perhaps Sarge1400 will clarify his intent, but I don't see it as being unclear in the first place)
     
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    Then that makes three of us that agree.

    I wasn't bashing christians, I was bashing Paul7's habit of counting someone as a christian only when it suits his agenda.

    My answer is "I don't know." Same as with christians, what is the true measurement? Can one simply profess, or are other metrics required?
     
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    Thanks for the response.

    My answer to the last would be (FWIW) with a lot of things in this world 'you are until you aren't"

    For instance, fraternal organizations, I'll make one up so as not to offend. "The Fraternal Order of Porcupines" (FOPs) If you pledge to be honest, and you are caught embezzling from your business partner, it is fair to say that you WERE a FOP, but you are no longer a "good" FOP, and may be kicked out. It truly is to be expected, tho unwanted to be sure, that people will fall astray from rules.


    I just see a lot of folks bashing Christian for their religion and Christians themselves not being perfect, but I never met a Christian who claimed to be.

    Nothing is perfect and as long as I don't see Christians crashing planes into buildings, or beheading folks on the internet, I'll not bother them.
     
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    What does that have to do with being atheist? Because someone no longer visits such websites they are no longer atheist? I suppose that logic(?) makes sense if god as a Dr Doolittle who makes donkeys talk makes sense. :tongueout: I have never visited an atheist website. That does not mean I am not an atheist. I just don't need anyone else to verify my beliefs.
     
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    or for Christian sites in general.
     
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    First off the article says professing , not true.

    Secondly, the existence of God is not determined by how many followers He accumulates or how many atheists scoff.

    Third, the article shows that for some reason Christianity is more attractive than atheism.

    Fourth, Christianity meets needs that I have that atheism does not even address. Perhaps that is why so many people are coming to a realization that they need God in their lives.

    Jesus loves you void.
     
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    God exists because you need him to exist?
     
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