a breachers grip you dont know how good it could be. just ripped off 20 rounds of high brass 00 buck, not reduced recoil stuff either, out of my 18.5" maverick 88. ladies and gents my gun is the lightest shotgun in 12ga. ive held let alone owned and the breachers grip made shooting so easy, virtually no recoil as in "pain". all i got was a reassuring but light thump in my hand each shot. i'm cowboywannabe and i recommend this grip.