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Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by TX OMFS, Feb 14, 2013.


  1. John Rambo

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    Okay.

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    This is a political spectrum graph with one axis. It is widely recognized as being for dum dums on account of it doesn't really say anything useful.

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    This is a political spectrum graph with two axes. It paints a much more holistic view of one's political beliefs. You could conceivably go into three dimensions if you really wanted to get nitty gritty, but this one does just fine for its purposes.

    I'm talking about a dataset here, not drawing.
     

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  2. IvanVic

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    You didn't answer my question. In your previous post you specifically mentioned socialists, and having the morality on your side if they were killed.

    Do you feel as though you would be morally justified in killing someone if they believe the U.S. should become like European socialist nations?


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  3. IvanVic

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    So we agree, yet I didn't see you challenge certifiedfunds' lunacy at all.




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  4. Batesmotel

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    Overhaul congress.

    Term limits and no special perks. No lifetime pension, war chest, medical, Etc.

    Get in, get out, go back to the private sector.

    Eliminate the power base they develop. They are not there to serve us anymore. They are there to tend their power base and retire rich. That means they screw us over to stay in office.
     
  5. certifiedfunds

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    Where did I say I was killing anyone?

    Placing socialists and their families in re-education camps would be a reasonable first step. However that would only require maybe a 4/10 on the commie quiz.




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  6. sugarcreek

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    A leftist, worth his salt, would not call a
    Libertarian Republican, a "Nazi!", or a "Fascist!".


    Not if in fact they BELIEVED that words matter.

    Whenever I hear it I think of it as as a sort of
    Proverbial Moral Equivalency. Or just plain dumb.

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  7. series1811

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    I see you missed the Cold War. I say yes, we did it once, and we should do it again, if necessary.

    There are plent of socialist/communist countries in the world. Why do they all have to be that way? I know. Because socialism/communism only looks good without a free will alternative.
     
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  8. TX OMFS

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    No, that's a line with a slope of zero that by definition has two dimensions.

    Yes it is a graph. No, it does not show a political spectrum. You have to plot at least two points to get a spectrum.

    So, take your first line and put in on your graph and you get a spectrum.

    Despite my asinine nit-picking, I know this statement is the core of what you're saying.

    I don't agree with your premise. I mean, using the graph, what is a libertarian leftist vs an authoritarian leftist?

    Because he's funny and he is not seriously gonna walk across the street and string up Grandma and Grandpa Red. Calm down Francis.
     
  9. John Rambo

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    Ghandi vs. Stalin

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  10. IvanVic

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    I'm surprised, you usually standby your crazy statements. I wasn't expecting you to backpedal so quickly.


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  11. IvanVic

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    I wouldn't want to live in any country where a group of people has free reign to round up and execute people that have different political views than they do. Christ, if you think that has ever been what America is about, I don't know what to tell you.


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  12. certifiedfunds

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    I'm not back pedaling from anything. I never said I was going to kill anyone but you're doing a phenomenal job trying to bait me into doing so.

    If you find yourself in a re-education camp I will send you a care package


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  13. certifiedfunds

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    But that is what socialists/communists historically do.

    Very confusing trying to follow you


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  14. TX OMFS

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    Based on that graph we're only disagreeing on how to apply terms. I believe you are either, using the terms from the graph, Libertarian or Authoritarian. I don't parse it out to economics or social issues. In fact, many of those issues are not purely economic or social.

    "Dum-dums" like to parse out the definitions so some types of Authoritarianism seem acceptable.
     
  15. certifiedfunds

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    Eeeeeee-YUP!


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  16. certifiedfunds

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    All liberal/progressive/socialist/fascist/communist philosophies require a high level of authoritarianism. Original American conservatism/libertarianism does not.


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  17. John Rambo

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    You can believe whatever you want. That doesn't make it right. Its not a disagreement on terms. This is not a discussion of theory or schools of thought. There is a right or wrong here, and an X any Y axis are right. An x axis only is incomplete data and hence, wrong. Unless you're trying to say that Ghandi and Ayn Rand are the same on the political scale, as well as George Bush Jr and Joseph Stalin.

    I encourage you to take that political compass test and see where you fit on both your social and economic issues.
     
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    Somebody is going to say it.


    "Tell that to the original American blacks and women"
     
  19. certifiedfunds

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    Actually you're completely wrong. It is 100% a discussion of theory and schools of thought.

    Frankly it's laughable that you think otherwise.




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  20. certifiedfunds

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    No worries. Early America betrayed its own principles.

    The founders enslaved Africans. Socialists enslave everyone.


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