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I want a serious game hunting load

Discussion in '10mm Reloading Forum' started by Kegs, Apr 13, 2010.

  1. Kegs

    Kegs Ol 8 fingers ;)

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    Since 200 grain XTPs seem to be backordered everywhere, I guess it's going to have to be 180 XTP.

    I'm thinking a maximum load here - something that runs about 1325 fps in a G20 size barrel (actually what I'm going to be using is an extended barrel in my G29 for these rounds).

    Anyone use Blue dots to get these puppies flying?
     
  2. AJE

    AJE *goes to 11*

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    I run a 6" barrel but I don't have any problem slinging 180gr XTP's about 1400fps using a slightly over max load of Power Pistol.

    I tried a slightly over max load of Blue Dot (11.4gr.... max is 11.0) threw the 180gr FMJs at 1381fps average. I'm sure the XTPs will be faster with the same powder charge (they were with the Power Pistol) but I haven't been able to test this load out yet.

    The magnum primers made the Blue Dot load slightly hotter and more consistent, whereas the Power Pistol showed a slightly lower velocity with more consistency.

    Again, this is out of a 6", so YMMV.
     


  3. Taterhead

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    Have you tried a 200 gr WFNGC hardcast like those sold at DT? A healthy charge of A9 with a mag primer might make a pretty decent mountain load. That combo runs pretty will in my pistol.

    As far as Blue Dot and 180 gr XTPs, a slightly less-than-max load chronies about 1230 fps in a stock G20. That was measured when it was only about 30 degrees. I imagine a max charge of BD, warmer weather, and a longer barrel may get you closer to your goal.
     
  4. Kegs

    Kegs Ol 8 fingers ;)

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    I just realized that after looking at the ballistics, 180 grain xtps are just lame. I found some 200 grainers, and CCI 350 primers. I think I am going to work up to a flat priming nuclear beyond max of blue dot and see what kind of precision I get with the nuke loads. Hoping for 1215 fps or more.
     
  5. Taterhead

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    Curious: When you refer to "ballistics," are you referring to internal, external, or terminal?
     
  6. Kegs

    Kegs Ol 8 fingers ;)

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    Good question.

    Primarily, I have a tendency to focus on external ballistics, as I know either of the XTP bullets will take care of the impact (penetration and expansion being superb with this design). It's just that when I play out the "recommended maximums", 200g comes out the winner as the muzzle energy is a little higher, but the energy at 50y is a straight up gain. The B.C. of the bullets differ by quite a bit too, but that only plays a small role in the range of hunting large game with a handgun.

    The bottom line is that less powder yields more energy with the 200. I think 200 is the optimal weight for a hunting round in the 10mm. The XTP is the best bullet I am aware of out there for this application as well.

    Of course one can get more energy out of a 135 or 155 round moving out at very high velocities, but penetration is going to be lacking compared to the higher weight choices.

    I need a 200 to fly >/=1215 fps or so to meet the energy figures I am looking for.
     
  7. Taterhead

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  8. _The_Shadow

    _The_Shadow Ret. Fireman

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    Kegs, its a fine line to get those 200XTP's up to the 1200 fps mark as they will be pushing the emvelope. I load mine with 10.5 grs of Blue Dot, CCI 300, COAL 1.260" and from the 5" S&W1006 these run 1180-1200 fps, expect to see slighty flattened primers with these.

    I did have some loads I tried with Power Pistol but I still doing some more testing, but I liked what I seen so far.

    Let us know how you make out...Good luck!
     
  9. Kegs

    Kegs Ol 8 fingers ;)

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    Original Norma spec was 200gr@1200fps out of a 5" barrel.

    I'm really not asking for much more than that...Just a wee bit more. :supergrin:
     
  10. Waffentomas

    Waffentomas Semper Fidelis Millennium Member

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    I think that using Longshot will get you to 1200, with slightly less pressure. It's what I use for 200s, 180s and 170s when I want some speed.

    What the heck are you hunting with these?
     
  11. Kegs

    Kegs Ol 8 fingers ;)

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    Eventually, I will be hunting elk. I know a place I get practically right on top of them.
    I'm just trying to meet Colorado's handgun hunting specs which is 550 ft./lbs.@50yards.

    http://dfuse.us/COhandgunhunting.html

    I am 100% confident that a 200gr. xtp will knock an elk down within 50 yards or closer - but meeting the legal requirements is a challenge. It will need a longer barrel (I already know this).

    P.S> Cool link. I just got done reading your article. Very nice write up. From a hunting standpoint, 10mm can reach this Colorado spec - but .45 cannot. I might need an extended barrel for the 29 to do what I'm looking for, but you'd need a CARBINE in .45 to equate this, and in close quarters to gambel oak and similar brush found in my "secret elk ambush spot", + walking up steep slopes, cliffy areas, etc. carrying a carbine would be a disadvantage over a pistol.
     
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  12. hill billy

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    1200 FPS with Blue Dot is easy with 200's I'd have to look at my load when I get home, but I maxed out at an AVG of 1275 and then I just got scared to shoot too many more of them. So I made up all the 200's I had to avg at 1230 or so. 1275 was giving me flatter primers but not what I would consider flattened.
     
  13. Kegs

    Kegs Ol 8 fingers ;)

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    Hillbilly- length and maker of barrel? primers? C.O.A.L.? how much of a crimp? How many grains of powder? Are we talking XTPs here? @ what elevation/R.H./temp? 1215 fps is enough, 1230 would be better though!

    I don't mind flatter primers.
     
  14. hill billy

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    Lone Wolf 6" ported barrel, G20sf, Crimped just shy of buckling the brass, I still need to look up the load for you, Berrys bullets, Xtreme plated bullets and Precision Delta FMJ, between 1500 and 4500 FASL, temps from cold to hot, primers are CCI and Win or whatever I have lying around. I'll try and remember and look up my load in the morning.
     
  15. Waffentomas

    Waffentomas Semper Fidelis Millennium Member

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    Kegs: I have killed a pig and an elk with my 10mm, and in neither case did it knock 'em dead. I'm not saying you shouldn't hunt elk with a 10mm, not at all. Actually, once we have enough elk down at elk camp so everyone has a good supply of meat (which isn't always, but has happened) I go out and hunt elk with my Glock 20 with 6" barrel. Just don't expect too much. I killed him with a 200gr Black Talon, (I have lots). I pulled the bullets of a box and loaded them up so it does just over 1200fps from the 6". He ran about 75 yards at a full gallop after I hit him, at 55 yards, give or take a foot. It was a shot that went in just behind the shoulder and hit a lung and some other stuff, but he really didn't even seem like he'd been hit. Still, he died, and I ate.

    I wouldn't get to upset not finding 200gr XTPs, as those 180s will do fine.

    Good luck hunting.
     
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  16. Kegs

    Kegs Ol 8 fingers ;)

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    I found 3 boxes (300) of the 200 grainers, so I am good to go for a little while.

    You have "a lot" of 10mm/.40 black talons? :shocked: That's impressive! I don't think many other people have to many anymore.
     
  17. Waffentomas

    Waffentomas Semper Fidelis Millennium Member

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    I have over 30 boxes - though I've pulled the bullets and reloaded nearly 1/2.
     
  18. MikeS.

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    Black Talons, I actually found a box of 50 factory rounds buried in my safe last week.

    I've been using 180grn XTPs for hunting whitetail for several years now.
     
  19. Taterhead

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    Where did you track down the 200 grain XTPs? I have not seen them in a while.