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I Am Not a "Sheepdog"

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by cysoto, Mar 18, 2013.

  1. cysoto

    cysoto Gone Shooting!

    Jan 21, 2004
    Denver, CO
  2. Spiffums

    Spiffums I.C.P.

    Sep 30, 2006

    I'm not either. I have no duty or obligation to protect anyone outside of my family. Why open myself to personal and financial harm for someone else who won't take their personal defense seriously and they would most likely not pee in my ear if my head was on fire if the shoe was on the other foot.

  3. Glock20 10mm

    Glock20 10mm Use Linux!

    I agree with his prose. Makes perfect sense and pretty much my stance as well.
  4. mustang6112

    mustang6112 Watching

    Mar 17, 2010
    Tampa, FL
    he makes some valid points, but he could have done it in about 2 minutes vice the seven+ that he blathered on...
  5. AK_Stick

    AK_Stick AAAMAD

    Jan 20, 2004
    Alaska, again (for now)
    Sounds likes he's trying to justify his stance to himself. Sad way to go through life.
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  6. cysoto

    cysoto Gone Shooting!

    Jan 21, 2004
    Denver, CO
    Yes, that is very true; his video could have been shorter.

    I too believe that he makes some valid points and I find it interesting that, on the other forum where this was posted, many people responding called him a coward for choosing not to protect others.

    I don't know, I just thought that is would be interesting to see what the good folks of GT had to say about the video...
  7. Stock45


    Mar 14, 2013
    I always thought the sheepdog thing was cheesy, and wondered if the guys that posted about it had just finished a 3hr session of COD on the XBox.
  8. ChiefWPD


    Dec 25, 2004
    The YouTube video is a well reasoned discussion on the practical aspects of a civilian responding to a possible shots-fired situation.

    I believe that person to be correct in his assessment of the dangers of becoming involved in a stranger on stranger shooting.
  9. mustang6112

    mustang6112 Watching

    Mar 17, 2010
    Tampa, FL
    Nope, I prefer NHL12...
  10. eagle359

    eagle359 Glock Fanboi

    Mar 20, 2000
    The courts have ruled many times that not even the police have the duty to protect you. I have read this guys blog and he seems to have his head screwed on pretty straight.
  11. The sheepdog thing isn't "cheesy", it's childish. It's desperately seeking admiration.

    He is right about 'not knowing what is going on'. A mass shooting in a mall is one thing. Intervening in a situation in a parking lot at Wal Mart is another. As soon as a stranger steps in, it will turn out to be a domestic violence situation, which is hard enough on cops, and both parties will turn on the "Sheepdog".

    In our HCP class, the example of stepping into a gunfight was demonstrated, and the results were that you don't know who is who, or what is what, and Bubba gets a new roommate. It's best to mind your own business.

    I would try to act to stop an obvious abduction\kidnapping of a child or female, but I don't go out looking to be Matt Dillon. But hey, if others want to take the risks to try and be a hero, more power to them.
  12. RonS

    RonS Millennium Member

    May 27, 1999
    Oh, USA
    I once was a sheepdog, for about 4 years. I got tired of herding sheep and seeing the same drunk/stoned coyotes every Saturday night so I did something else with my life, something that pays better and doesn't leave me disgusted with the stupidity of sheep.
  13. tsmo1066

    tsmo1066 Happy Smiley

    Aug 31, 2004
    Houston, TX
    The "Sheepdog" analogy is interesting in that sheepdogs don't defend other people's flocks. They look out for their own flock first and foremost.

    I view myself as a "sheepdog" in this respect. I protect my own family first, foremost and always.

    Will I help another person if the situation permits? YES. Will I do so if it means placing a member of my family in harm's way, or leaving them unprotected while I go off chasing danger in an uncertain and dangerous situation? NO.
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2013
  14. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

    Oct 23, 2000
    California & New Mexico, US
    I'm not a sheepdog. I'm a lion!!! Roarrrr!!!
  15. Short Cut

    Short Cut PatrioticMember CLM

    Apr 28, 2002
    Above ground
    More like a lesbian cougar. :supergrin:
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2013
  16. hogfish

    hogfish Señor Member

    Aug 4, 2005
    He sounds like he has chosen not to interfere in any situation involving firearms, unless to defend himself and/or his. He also talks about different situations in which he sort of hints that he might interfere, but he's not clear about it. His choice, whatever it is. I thank him for his military service.
  17. Short Cut

    Short Cut PatrioticMember CLM

    Apr 28, 2002
    Above ground
    I'm not going to arbitrarily draw lines on what I will and won't do. It depends on the situation. I'm not going out of my way to be a hero, but like Rooster said, you see a kid being abducted or molested, a guy starts hacking people with a machete in the grocery isle your in.... It's stuff like that which prevents me from saying I wouldn't ever help others.
  18. packeagle


    Mar 2, 2011
    Exactly, it needs to be cut and dry before I'd take action. There are supposed to be legal protections if you do shoot in defence of another, but I do t trust them.
  19. Arc Angel

    Arc Angel Deus Vult!

    Sep 20, 2003
    Penn's Woods
    Good overall attitude, but, sometimes, just plain good old fashioned human decency can force you into action. You might not want to get involved; I might not want to get involved, either; but there are times when stepping in is just the right thing to do. Sometimes ya just got 'a call um like you see um, and hope for the best. ;)
  20. NeverMore1701

    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

    Jun 25, 2004
    Amarillo, Tx
    The only thing that word brings to mind is nuttinfancy, god help us.