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HST or Ranger T

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by G21MAN, Feb 8, 2012.

  1. G21MAN


    Jul 9, 2005
    Gilbert, AZ
    I watched a test of 165 gr Ranger T this morning on youtube. It was by Tennessee Outdoors. These two bullets expanded to .86 of an inch through 4 layers of denim and into Sim Test media. The HST 180 grain that he tested the same way only expanded to .78 of an inch. I always thought that the HST expanded more than the Ranger T. Is this an unusual event, or do the Ranger T's expand better than the HST's?
  2. up1911fan


    Mar 12, 2009
    Upper Michigan
    Your talking about one bullet each. It's by no means a mean average. Those two and Gold Dot's are the only loads I carry.

  3. NucPhysics


    Apr 19, 2009
    Watch the HSTs carefully. They are an excellent round, however, I have seen many of them that had loose metal burs inside the hollow point due to the fact that the jacket isn't bonded to the core. Knowing that loose metal shards don't do well inside a handgun or the magazine, I desided to stick with the Gold Dots.

    Maybe I had a couple bad batches, but it was an eye opener. The shards fell out when I tapped the rounds. Just be careful. I still think they are a good round, just spooked me a good one.
  4. one thing is different grain bullets, the difference is to minimal to be a concern. everyone likes the biggets expansion but beyond a certain point is not desirerable for best bullet performance.
  5. cowboy1964


    Sep 4, 2009
    Rangers do have incredible expansion usually. I've also seen some spectacular failures. Yes, any JHP can fail to expand but I seem to see a higher incidence of it with Rangers. You virtually never see such failures like that with HSTs and for the most part Gold Dots.

    [ame=""]Winchester Ranger T-Series 9mm +P+ 127 gr JHP AMMO TEST - YouTube[/ame]

    I think HST is a more consistent performer, and performs almost like a bonded through barriers.
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2012
  6. PghJim


    Apr 21, 2005
    I like the 165 Ranger T. As said, you cannot go by the expansion of a couple of bullets. Part of my preference is that I like the 155-165gr. bullets in a 40. And that my be the question you have to answer yourself. Both bullets are excellent.
  7. barth

    barth six barrels

    Oct 7, 2011
    The Free Zone
  8. 9mm +p+

    9mm +p+

    Mar 1, 2005
    Old Dominion
    ANY bullet can fail, period. I run Ranger's in my 9's and 45's and have complete faith in them, they're good enough to protect the pres so I figure they're good enough for me.
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2012
  9. AWESOMO 4000

    AWESOMO 4000

    Dec 7, 2008
    I prefer the Ranger T's in 9mm and .357SIG; .40 and up I like the HST. HST's seem to expand once they encounter anything, Rangers seem to get plugged sometimes with debris and become a really fast FMJ, or half of it opens, the other half folds over.

    I also have a nice 125gr JHP Ranger T in .357SIG that was received installed backwards.

    One nice thing about the HST, they seem to have more of a ball-type profile to them, so feeding should be aided if there's any issues there.
  10. JBP55


    Mar 4, 2007
    Hard to go wrong with Gold Dot, HST, Ranger T.
  11. Amen. I too also have used HST's and seem to be more accurate with it but also have the Ranger's. Can't go wrong with either round.
  12. cowboy1964


    Sep 4, 2009
    I've always wondered if the smaller cavity on the Ranger is what (seemingly) makes them more prone to fail to expand.

    I will note that even in the video above where it failed to expand it still produced a rather impressive wound channel considering.
  13. hotpig

    hotpig IAFF Local 4766 CLM

    I have been to dozens of factory sponsored shoots by all of the major LE brands. Ranger is no more prone than any of the others. It s a crap shoot on all of them. So long as they keep putting holes in the nose of bullets failure to feed or failure to expand are going to happen.
  14. five-0


    Apr 21, 2000

    See post #10.
  15. High Altitude

    High Altitude

    Nov 19, 2005
    As long as you have reliability, use any premium JHP self defense ammo.

    Spend your time on training instead of wondering whether ranger t is better than HST or if Gold Dot is better etc.......

    Give me HST, Ranger T, Gold Dot etc... I don't care which one as long as the ammo feeds/fires/ejects reliably.
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2012
  16. NEOH212

    NEOH212 Diesel Girl

    Mar 25, 2008
    North East Ohio
    With those numbers, I don't think the difference in expansion really matters that much. They are both great rounds and I wouldn't hesitate to carry either one. Also, your comparing a 180 grain bullet of a different type to a 165 grain bullet of a different type. I would like to see the 165 grain version HST put up against the 165 grain T-series, as well as the 180 versions. I would be willing to bet that there wouldn't be much difference in expansion then.

    IMHO, these two rounds are like comparing apples to apples. Your good to go either way.
  17. NEOH212

    NEOH212 Diesel Girl

    Mar 25, 2008
    North East Ohio
  18. NEOH212

    NEOH212 Diesel Girl

    Mar 25, 2008
    North East Ohio
    Same here! :wavey:
  19. Brasso

    Brasso Millennium Member

    People tend to get too wrapped up in expansion and penetration numbers anyway. The difference between .78 and .86 is so small and insignificant as to be absolutely meaningless in real life.
  20. pisc1024

    pisc1024 AASG

    Oct 9, 2005
    Rangers are not issued to the USSS. They use Speer GD's