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HST 147gr +P chrono data

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by ABNAK, Sep 25, 2010.

  1. ABNAK

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    9mm, 147gr +P HST from a Glock 19 (fired 5 but only 4 registered):

    1030fps
    1027fps
    1016fps
    1036fps

    1027fps average

    Not too shabby as far as 147 grainers go. Recoil was, as expected, a little more than standard pressure 147 HST's. I'd say about like the 124gr +P loads.

    It is now my G19 carry load!
     
  2. Pretty impressive stuff, that HST. Did you get that from Kyle's?
     


  3. ABNAK

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    Yep, Kyle is da man!
     
  4. cowboy1964

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    That's the only place I've ever seen it in stock.
     
  5. BOGE

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    You might just want to rethink that as one of our posters here on GT posted some dramatic photos of 147 gr. GD's that completerly failed to mushroom.
     
  6. cowboy1964

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    So you're against ANY 147gr? Anyone have the link to that thread?

    I prefer 124+P myself. The 147 HSTs are inaccurate for me for some reason, and they have a funky ejection in my PM9.
     
  7. 338 lapua

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    And a Ford V8 performs just the same as a Chevy V8. :sigh:

    We're talking about 147gr Federal HST and not 147gr Speer Gold Dot. They are different. Duh.

    Check out the many, many photos and videos of 147gr HST expansion tests with water, bare gelatin, denim, etc. that are everywhere. Expansion is just fine. Btw, Ranger T 147gr expansion is fine as well.
     
  8. BOGE

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    I posted that late last night and was asleep at the wheel. I read ``Gold Dot``. :whistling: My mistake.

    Nonetheless, yes I am adamantly against 147 gr. in a 9mm which basically turns it into a lumbering .38 Spcl. I remember the fiasco that was during the 80`s with 147 gr.: they didn`t work.

    Before you sound off about how great the 147 gr. HST is, show me at least 10 documented shootings that you know of involving this round. ``Jello Men`` and shooting wet phonebooks are one thing but street cred is EVERYTHING.
     
  9. cowboy1964

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    I'm sure there are some out there and hopefully someone can post some links. The old 80's 147gr fiascos are long behind us. It appears Portland PD is one agency that uses 147 HST. I also read that they went with 9mm after two G21s blew up. Hadn't heard that one before.

    My theory is, if 147 HSTs have similar test results to "street credded" rounds then they should perform as well in actual shootings. I just personally am not using the 147 HSTs because of inaccuracy issues I've experienced and I prefer to keep my velocities > 1100 fps in 9mm (and better yet > 1200).
     
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  10. drc767

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    Not sure what that has to do with the HST 147 +P round. The HST is probably one of the more consistently expanding rounds out there right now, including the 147g HST. It is my preferred SD load in 9mm and .45, although the .45 has become nearly impossible to find.
     
  11. albyihat

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    those lumbering .38 spl. rounds have quite a bit of "street cred" just ask any LEO from 1930-1990's
     
  12. Dreamaster

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    LOL 1027 FPS out of a compact Glock isn't exactly "lumbering" either.

    Good velocity for the weight, amazing expansion and fantastic penetration in jello.

    They WILL do the job.
     
  13. jason.223

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    not to bad of numbers...I remember maybe 15 years back I chrono'ed some cor-bon 147 out of my glock 19. I dont have my data here but I recall they went over just over 1100 fps...now that was a 147 +P load!

    Jason
     
  14. When I can afford to snag some of these I am going to.

    They should get moving pretty good out of my 5" M&P.
     
  15. ABNAK

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    I have to say that I'm not in total disagreement with you at all; however, I do believe that advances in bullet technology over the last 15 years have made possible good expansion from heavy-for-caliber loads that do not have screaming velocities. In fact, until the advent of these "newer" loads I was never a fan of heavy loads in each caliber, instead preferring a mid-weight loading with a little "oomph" behind it, i.e. 124gr +P in 9mm, 155gr in .40, and 185gr +P or 200gr in .45.

    I too would like to see some links to street data. Until then, however, I will continue to surmise that the 147gr +P HST may in fact be the "Uber" 9mm loading (at least to date).
     
  16. cowboy1964

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    The problem with 147gr back then was jams. They don't jam any more, not in decent firearms. Testing shows they are very effective.
     
  17. pochis

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    i remember reading something writton about 147hst from ayoob and at that time there were some shootings in oregon i remeber it being said that even in the early stages they were impressed.:whistling:
     
  18. The Retired Sarge

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    Any one have the expansion/penetration specs on the HST 147gr +P shot through calibrated gel and also heavy clothing? Federal/ATK does not have this loading listed on their test charts. Thanks-Bill
     
  19. ABNAK

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    Granted, it wasn't gel and wasn't denim, but I fired a standard pressure 147gr HST through 4 layers of a bath towel into my swimming pool and it expanded to ~.69 caliber. This was from a Kahr P9 (3.5" barrel). So I'd imagine the +P variant and an extra 1/2" of barrel from the Glock 19 should yield even better results.
     
  20. Berto

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    Things do change in 20years (1) and the 'lumbering' .38sp established a very good reputation with good loads like the FBI load...and not with jello.

    I have lumbering .38sp loads in my guns that well exceed the chrono numbers of HST +p 9mm using a heavy soft lead hollowpoint- from a snubby.:wavey:

    I you truly think you have the antidote load for every situation, guaranteed, you're fooling yourself. The HST is about as solid as any load in 9mm can promise.