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How We Got Here and Where We're Headed

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by DrDyno, Dec 30, 2012.

  1. DrDyno

    DrDyno

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    I blame three presidents for our current crisis:

    Richard Nixon
    1. Took us off the gold standard – Devalued the dollar and put us on the road to financial ruin.
    2. Ended the military draft – Removed the common thread between generations.

    Bill Clinton
    Repealed the Glass Steagall Act of 1933 – Allowing commercial banks to once again gamble like investment banks – lead directly to the financial bubble and burst of 2008.

    George W. Bush
    1. Recreated Vietnam in Iraq

    2. Ran up $10 Trillion in debt.


    W created such ill will between the haves and have-nots that the Democrats couldn’t possibly lose in 2008.

    We better just get that there now exists two Americas and, the America that you and I belong to no longer has the power necessary to sustain itself. Get used to it because the RNC hasn’t a clue how to reach the current American public.

    Women are 53% of the electorate. Keep telling them you want to control their bodies and cancel Planned Parenthood. Oh, and make sure to let them know you want to deprive their children of the same Sesame Street that they grew up with. Add to that the rising influence of minorities (for whom the Republicans said they would curtail any possibility of the Dream Act) and you have the perfect formula for failure.

    Get used to it, folks, this is the new America. The midterm election could put the last nails in the coffin of the America we grew up in, defended and loved.

    Now, to all this talk of how we are going to resist increasing restrictions on what liberties we have left; the “cold dead hands” boast or the “one bullet at a time” taunt. Have we stopped to consider exactly what we’re promoting? Have you not seen the lengths law enforcement will go to get what they want? They’ll tear our houses down and leave us homeless without any liability. Have we forgotten Waco? Have any of us not seen a current airing of any number of SWAT television shows? Have we considered what our homes will look like after we tell the officer at our door that we sold all our guns; and, he has the martial law authority or signed warrant to search our premises? There’ll be nothing left standing.

    To take an even further step, at what point do we actually pull a trigger? When do we make the decision to shoot the uniformed officer or armed soldier walking up our driveway? The instant a trigger is pulled, our life is over and our family is in ruins.

    So, for all our disappointment and for all our macho blustering, it’s time to get a grip! America is sinking into socialism, no doubt about it. We as Americans, like it or not, will have little choice but to fall in step and work through legal means to attempt renewal. Personally, I hate that part! But, if we want our families to enjoy any kind of life at all, we have no choice. Sure we’re frustrated and angry. But… we need to keep our wits about us so we don’t end up frustrated and angry and ruined, as well.
     
  2. Rabbi

    Rabbi The Bombdiggity Lifetime Member

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    And just were are we?

    We live in the third largest (population) country in the world and we have eliminated poverty. There are people with *less* but functionally there is no poverty in this country. We enjoy the best and most advanced medicind the world has ever known and no where have so many enjoyed so much and continue to have the chance to do so.

    Sure, things are a little rought right now, but it was at a 10 and now is a 9....most of humans, in most of history have lived at about a 3.

    Could we do better, of course. Are there some things that suck, of course. Do I get mad as hell from time to time, of course. Could it all get bad? You bet....but it is almost as good as it has been, anywhere, ever.
     

  3. CLoft239

    CLoft239 I Like Turtles

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    Lol @ you assuming local LE would actually confiscate citizen's legally purchased/owned (pre-ban) firearms.

    Or maybe I'm just speaking for myself. This one won't. If that day ever comes, I suppose I'll become unemployed.

    Sent from the Titanic. I named my phone "The Titanic" so when I plug it into the computer it says "The Titanic is syncing".
     
  4. Berto

    Berto woo woo

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    I don't know where I am going, but I sure know where I've been.
     
  5. sum-dum-guy

    sum-dum-guy

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    What path do you advocate?

    For instance, should the GOP (or the Dems) stand firm on principle or seek a compromise? Do they stick with the no increased taxes for anyone or do they cave in?

    Do they stand firm that nobody's right to bear arms should be infringed or should they compromise to prevent something worse like the new AWB?

    I honestly don't know anymore.
     
  6. Bruce M

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    I want to live someplace where there is no government interference in my life; where I can do about anything I want with no fear of the government. Because places like that sound like Nirvana. Of course they tend to look like Kohistan or Somalia...


    Things are noit perfect here, but we are still the last, best hope.
     
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  7. Restless28

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    Rabbi and BruceM are correct.
     
  8. Dennis in MA

    Dennis in MA Get off my lawn

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    Nixon. Lol

    I'll say this: Nixon ruined our country with paranoia, not draft and Gold Standard.

    We all did it. And until we take responsibility, nothing will change. Stop waiting for the other guy.
     
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    RonS Millennium Member

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    Yeah, it is still a great country, but France was a great country once too. I am coming more and more to believe that no democracy or republic of any size can long endure. Perhaps a small nation with a non diverse population can do it, but 310 million people with no common language, no common values and no sense of common identity cannot be ruled by anything other than tyrany.
     
  10. DrDyno

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    CLoft, you may want to take a look at the weapons confiscation that folks like you and me have already experienced:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K52h9m0_OiY"]NRA Gun Confiscation After Katrina - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Ending the gold standard was one of the best things, economically, that any President has ever done.

    Our all-volunteer military is smaller, better trained, better led, and more effective than a draft army would be.
     
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    FDR & LBJ had more to do with putting us on the road we are on today than any of the 3 you mentioned.
     
  13. vikingsoftpaw

    vikingsoftpaw DEPLORABLE ME!

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    You've touched on a point here. Democracies seldom make it past 250 years.
     
  14. DrDyno

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    Let me illustrate what I mean: I was in Home Depot, yesterday, waiting on line, wearing a hat that says "US ARMY." As I'm standing there an old black gentlemen came up to me, saluted me, and said, "Welcome Home, brother." The bond between that old black gentlemen and this younger white baby boomer is as deep and intense as any bond I have with my own family.

    Three days ago, sitting in a cafe, having breakfast with my wife (old Army hat perched on my head), a much older man who stooped as he walked, came to our table to introduce himself to me. He said, "I just wanted to say hi to another Army man." Turns out he's a Korean vet! My bond with that man is in concrete.

    So, we may have a smaller, more well equipped and better trained military, today. And, they are bonded to every other US veteran. But, for the rest of the male population who has never served, they will never experience the common bond of brotherhood that exists between every American veteran, from every generation.
     
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    Does this mean anyone that isn't military is inferior? :tongueout::tongueout:
     
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    FLIPPER 348 Happy Member

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    Remember this if you ever want to win another Presidential Election as Ann Coulter's wet dream of women not being able to vote will never happen.
     
  17. Dennis in MA

    Dennis in MA Get off my lawn

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    I get the same thing. I wear a hat all the time that says "Richard" on it.

    At least once a day, some guy walks by me and says, "Hey, ********!" I reply, "Takes on to know one." Probably once every 2 weeks, this leads to a traditional wrasslin match.
     
  18. Restless28

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    Correct.
     
  19. Rabbi

    Rabbi The Bombdiggity Lifetime Member

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    I know that bond as well...but isnt something a free people should mandate.

    There are a lot of powerful bonds. The bond of Police, Firemans, Doctors, Freemasons, Union members, Sports players, alumi, People who have been throught tramatic events, whatever... You cant have them all.

    You want to destroy some of that bond, mandate it. Not everyone needs to be in the military, any more than everyone needs to know how to weld or plant roses.

    The "everyone should serve" crowd is doing the exact same things as the anti gunners. You see where the Military would make some people better (it probably would) so in your mind, everyone should do it. Just like the anti-gunners. They see where a few have screwed it up and think everyone should not have guns. Do you really want that world?
     
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