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How religion harms scientific progress.

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by Gunhaver, Apr 28, 2012.


  1. Gunhaver

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    Europe experienced a Dark Age where most scientific knowledge was lost and had to be rediscovered. The Middle East is currently experiencing a similar Dark Age and it is unknown how long it will take them to re-emerge from it. I fear that North America at some point in its future will repeat that pattern. We currently live at the pinnacle of human development. Nowhere else does the population enjoy the freedoms and standard of living that we do here. But our continuing position at the top of the hierarchy is not certain. We can still be conquered by either internal or external forces that want nothing more than to turn the clock back and enslave us to their dogmatic interpretation of what their imaginary deity commands.
     

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    What a load of nonsense.

    http://www.ldolphin.org/bumbulis/
     
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    I like how your link ignores Aristotle, Plato, Archimedes, Euclid, Hipparchus, etc. for "Clue #2".

    Unless you claim they were Christian?
     
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    That link was a load of nonsense. They places the goalposts right where they wanted them for that one.
     
  6. Animal Mother

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    We've gone over the utter failings of that article numerous times before. Why do you keep bringing it up?
     
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    Was not the paper on modern science?

     
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    That's what I meant by putting the goalpost right where they wanted them. The paper completely ignores any advancements made by anyone in any other society because they had an agenda. Modern science depended on a lot of discoveries made all over the world. Much of the work had been done for them.

    What exactly is it that you think makes Christians better at science than anyone else?
     
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    Define modern science.
     
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    Because I reject your opinion, as did Oppenheimer and Whitehead, who said Christianity was the basis for Western Science.
     
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    According to his college, the author is the first author on anything and has never authored a paper by himself. http://www.bw.edu/academics/bio/faculty/bumbulis/

    Obviously a lightweight in his field, but he can step outside his field and dazzle the uninitiated with BS. If he's going to hold forth as a PhD. he should stick to his area of expertise because expertise is context specific. When experts step outside their field they're laymen.
     
  13. Animal Mother

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    No, Oppenheimer didn't. I've challenged you repeatedly to produce the original quote, in its original context. Yet you haven't. Imagine my shock.

    It isn't that you disagree with my opinion, it's that you continue to parrot a deeply flawed paper as if it were true.
     
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    Can you build modern science without building on the knowledge that came before?

    Do you need trig, algebra, etc to get to calc, or not?

    Claiming "they didn't do modern science" trivializes the fact that you can't *get* to modern science without knowing at least some of what they contributed (or figuring it out yourself, which those named in the article decidedly did not do).

    Basically, the article draws a line that happens to be convenient for the view of the article, and says 'all this stuff before is unimportant', even though you can't get to the what came after without it.
     
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    Science completely separated from religion.
     
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    Even if they did say that - which they didn't until you provide a cite- they were wrong.
     
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    What have you authored?

    Does the number of publications increase credibility?
     
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    Ad hominem. Get back to us when you have a rational counter-argument.
     
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    We've been over this before. More denial by you of facts that don't fit your world-view. From an article by Linda Kimball:

    "In an article titled "On Science and Culture" in Encounter, Oct. 1962, J. Robert Oppenheimer, director of Advanced Study at Princeton (1947) stressed that modern science was born out of the Christian worldview. (How Should We Then Live? Francis A. Schaeffer, p. 132)

    Highly respected philosopher and mathematician, Alfred North Whitehead (1861-1947), agrees with Oppenheimer. In the Harvard University Lowell Lectures entitled "Science and the Modern World" (1925) Whitehead said that Christianity is the mother of modern science because of "the medieval insistence in the rationality of God." With complete confidence "in the intelligible rationality of a personal being," continued Whitehead, early scientists had an "inexpugnable belief that every detailed occurrence can be correlated with its' antecedents in a perfectly definite manner, exemplifying general principles. Without this belief the incredible labors of scientists would be without hope." (ibid, pp. 132, 133)

    The key words here are 'rational, personal Being' as opposed to the irrationality of today's science counterfeit: naturalistic science.

    "Christianity," summarized Francis Schaeffer, "is the mother of modern science because it insists that the God who created the universe has revealed himself in the Bible to be the kind of God he is. Consequently, there is a sufficient basis for science to study the universe." (ibid, p. 134)


    Since you are questioning this Oppenheimer quote, cited in many publications, why don't you track down that issue of Encounter and prove me wrong?
     
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  20. Paul7

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    The Christian founders of Western science would think that an idiotic requirement.