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  1. Beware Owner

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    Hispanic Americans in World War II
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    Major General Pedro del Valle (second from left) is greeted by Colonel "Chesty" Puller on Pavuvu in late October 1944, while Major General William H. Rupertus (far left) looks on.Hispanic Americans fought in every major battle in the European Theatre of World War II in which the armed forces of the United States were involved, from North Africa to the Battle of the Bulge, and in the Pacific Theater of Operations, from Bataan to Okinawa. According to the National World War II Museum, between 250,000 and 500,000 Hispanic Americans served in the U.S. Armed Forces during WWII, out of a total of 12,000,000, constituting 2.3% to 4.7% of the U.S. Armed Forces. The exact number is unknown as, at the time, Hispanics were integrated into the general white population census count. Separate statistics were kept for African-Americans and Asian-Americans.

    On December 7, 1941, when the United States officially entered the war, Hispanic Americans were among the many American citizens who joined the ranks of the Army, Navy and Marine Corps as volunteers or through the draft. Not only did Hispanics serve as active combatants in the European and Pacific Theatres of war, but they also served on the home front as civilians. Hundreds of Hispanic women joined the Women's Army Auxiliary Corps (WAACs) and Women Accepted for Volunteer Emergency Service (WAVES), serving as nurses and in administrative positions. Many worked in the manufacturing plants that produced munitions and material, while the men who usually performed this work were away at war.

    When conscription was increased some Puerto Ricans from the island were assigned as replacements to units in the Panama Canal Zone and British Caribbean islands that were made up mostly of continental (United States mainland) soldiers; however, most Puerto Ricans and Hispanics residing in Puerto Rico were assigned to the 65th Infantry Regiment or to the Puerto Rico National Guard. These were the only all-Hispanic units whose statistics were kept; hence, it is known that over 53,000 Puerto Ricans and Hispanics who resided on the island served in the war. According to Senator Robert Menendez, more than 9,000 Latinos died in the defense of the United States in World War II. Owing to the lack of documentation, the exact number of Hispanics who died in the conflict is unknown.

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    Major General del Valle

    Lieutenant General Pedro del ValleLieutenant General Pedro Augusto del Valle (1893–1978), as a Colonel was the Commanding Officer of the 11th Marine Regiment (artillery). Upon the outbreak of World War II, del Valle led his regiment during the seizure and defense of Guadalcanal, providing artillery support for the 1st Marine Division. In the Battle of the Tenaru, the fire power provided by del Valle's artillery units killed many assaulting Japanese soldiers—almost to the last man—before they reached the Marine positions. As a result of the outcome of the battle Japanese commander, Colonel Ichiki Kiyonao, committed seppuku shortly afterwards. General Alexander Vandegrift, impressed with del Valle's leadership, recommended his promotion and on October 1, 1942, del Valle became a Brigadier General. Vandegrift retained del Valle as head of the 11th Marines, the only time that the 11th Marines has ever had a general as their commanding officer. In 1943, he served as Commander of Marine Forces overseeing Guadalcanal, Tulagi, and the Russell and Florida Islands.

    On April 1, 1944, del Valle, as Commanding General of the Third Corps Artillery, III Marine Amphibious Corps, took part in the Battle of Guam and was awarded a Gold Star in lieu of a second Legion of Merit. The men under his command did such a good job with their heavy artillery that no one man could be singled out for commendation. Instead each man was given a letter of commendation by del Valle, which was carried in his record books.

    In late October 1944, del Valle succeeded Major General William Rupertus as Commanding General of the 1st Marine Division, being personally greeted to his new command by Colonel Lewis Burwell "Chesty" Puller. At the time, the 1st Marine Division was training on the island of Pavuvu for the invasion of Okinawa. On May 29, 1945, del Valle participated in one of the most important events that led to victory in Okinawa. After five weeks of fighting, del Valle ordered Company A of the 1st Battalion 5th Marines to capture Shuri Castle, a medieval fortress of the ancient Ryukyuan kings. Seizure of Shuri Castle represented a morale blow for the Japanese and was a milestone in the Okinawa campaign. The fighting in Okinawa would continue for 24 more days. Del Valle was awarded a Distinguished Service Medal for his leadership during the battle and the subsequent occupation and reorganization of Okinawa.

    Brigadier General Quesada

    Brig. Gen. Elwood R. QuesadaLieutenant General Elwood R. “Pete” Quesada, (1904–1993) was assigned as a Brigadier General in October 1940 to intelligence in the Office of the Chief of Air Corps. He became commanding general of the 9th Fighter Command where he established advanced headquarters on the Normandy beachhead on D-Day plus one, and directed his planes in aerial cover and air support for the Allied invasion of the European continent. He was the foremost proponent of "the inherent flexibility of air power", a principle he helped prove during World War II.

    In December 1942, Quesada took the First Air Defense Wing to North Africa. Shortly thereafter, he was given command of the XII Fighter Command and in this capacity would work out the mechanics of close air support and Army-Air Force cooperation.

    The successful integration of air and land forces in the Tunisia campaign forged by Quesada and the Allied leaders became a blueprint for operations incorporated into Army Air Forces field regulations—FM 100-20, "Command and Employment of Air Power," first published on July 21, 1943—and provided the Allies with their first victory in the European war. Principles such as the co-equality of ground and air force commanders, centralized command of tactical aircraft to exploit "the inherent flexibility of air power," and the attainment of air superiority over the battlefield as a prerequisite for successful ground operations formed the core of tactical air doctrine. In October 1943, Quesada assumed command of the IX Fighter Command in England, and his forces provided air cover for the landings on Normandy Beach. Among Quesada’s many military decorations were the Distinguished Service Medal with oak leaf cluster; Distinguished Flying Cross; Purple Heart and an Air Medal with two Silver Stars.

    Major General Terry de la Mesa Allen

    Brigadier General Terry de la Mesa AllenMajor General Terry de la Mesa Allen, Sr. (1888–1969) was the son of Colonel Samuel Edward Allen and Conchita Alvarez de la Mesa. During World War II he was the commanding general of the 1st Infantry Division in North Africa and Sicily, and was made commander of the 104th Infantry Division. While in North Africa Allen and his deputy 1st Division Commander, Brigadier General Theodore Roosevelt Jr. distinguished themselves as combat leaders. Allen was re-assigned to the 104th Infantry Division. The 104th Infantry Division landed in France on September 7, 1944 and fought for 195 consecutive days during World War II. The division's nickname came from its timberwolf shoulder insignia. Some 34,000 men served with the division under Allen who came to be nicknamed "Terrible Terry". The division was particularly renowned for its night fighting prowess.


    Is the hispanic hating only in the general public?
     
  2. 2952

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    Americans do not like any nationality that breaks the law and comes into this Country illegally. They also do not like people who trash the area they live in no matter their color - White, Black, Brown, Yellow or whatever. They also do not like people who make no effort to learn English.
     

  3. Beware Owner

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    Is that what these people did?
     
  4. mjkeat

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    I know that after joining the Army my world was opened up to many more cultures. The military has rules and regulations that are much more strict when dealing with race issues. So the people who tend to "hate" others due to their color either learn to get along with others or are dealt with. In my mos there wasn't a whole lot of room for hate. Plus we spent so much time together everyone became close. Not to mention the unit I was a part of deployed often. All of you that have been deployed as a or with 11Bs know all to well the amount of time you spend together and the cramp quarters in which you live. Its impossible not to gain respect for things you were not accustomed to as a civilian.

    As for as the comment about the general public hating Hispanics. I think its not so much that people hate the Hispanic race. Many Americans are very proud and territorial of what their ancestors fought for. And to touch on what 2952 said many Americans find it troublesome that a person coming into a country that speaks a different language wont make an effort to learn that country's native language. Therefor that country then has to alter its normal routine to accommodate these new people. Go into a Lowes everything is bilingual. Not a huge deal to me but please just make an effort to learn the countries national language. On the issue of trashing the area you live in. I live in an area of the city that Id consider middle/middle class. Its our first home and it fit our budget and is nice. It just so happens the area leaves a lot to be desired. The neighborhood is very diverse so I see a lot of different things. I think "trashing" the area you live in is not a race specific problem. Some people just don't care. The same goes for braking the law. Some people just don't care.
     
  5. Beware Owner

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    I can feel the concern about learning the language and not trashing your surroundings. I am for both of those, however, how many americans expect others to master a language they haven't mastered themselves yet? I can't listen to someone who tells others to learn english when they're talking about as redneck and ghetto as possible, to a point you can barely understand them. Been to the ghetto? Trashed. Trailer park? Trashed. You and I understand the principle of the problem being what the person does, and not the person per se, but, if three people are doing the same thing, why is it ok for two to do it, and the other one not? I mean, you get to the point where you wonder if those who hate them even know what they're talking about in the first place. Have you seen someone call a colombian a mexican, telling them to go home, to then be ashamed to have that hispanic speak perfect english to them and tell them this is their home? I have. They look very stupid.
     
  6. Javelin

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    There is nothing wrong with Hispanic nations and their heritage. They are a proud people and should be given all the respect in the world.

    But that said, I don't agree with people breaking the law and entering the US illegally. These people that do this type of activity make a bad name for those folks from other countries who do choose to follow the laws of the US.

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  7. Beware Owner

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    Good. Are we making a distinction between hispanics and illegal immigrants?
     
  8. Javelin

    Javelin Got Glock? Silver Member

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    After living in Texas it is pretty important that you do. But even so it is never good to hate. Hate is a cancer.

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  9. Beware Owner

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    Thou hath spoken the truth.
     
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  10. crazypilot

    crazypilot ERAU Alumni '05

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    I think so. I mean when I went through basic training in the AF, we had people that made racist remarks and didn't really like other races much. But as time went on and they got to know me, I'm Puerto Rican, and they opened up. The remarks went away and they actually started telling me stories about KKK meetings and/or how their families raised them. I'm really good friends with some of these guys that made those remarks.

    I think the hate is geared toward those that don't learn the language, come in illegally and join the gangs. America is the greatest nation in the world and it's sad that we can't protect our border. That scares everyone because it can be a terrorist crossing those borders.
     
  11. DrMark

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    This is a really weird thread.

    Who hates Hispanics?
     
  12. nursetim

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  13. 22rtf2

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    Hey, my father is Puerto Rican, was born in PR and was born an AMERICAN CITIZEN.

    You may want to look up what a commonwealth is.
     
  14. 1 old 0311

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    Having spent two years, as a Marine Grunt in Vietnam, I can say that Hispanics fought better, as a group, than Whites, Blacks, or Asians.

    I NEVER saw one 'spaz out,' or screw off on patrol. They had my respect.
     
  15. gruntmedik

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    When I was active duty USMC, there were only 2 colors of Marines---Light Green, and Dark Green.
     
  16. Beware Owner

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    Good answer.

    You've GOT to be kidding me.

    See. Here is where the dissention begins. You think the general public hates the illegal nature of Hispanic presence here. It is not against the law to speak spanish in this country, so it is not illegal to be hispanic. I simply cannot see the correlation, or how you put a hispanic with an illegal in the same box. They're NOT one and the same. By that, you're saying that the other service members, even in this thread, are illegal aliens that usurp social services.

    However....you do have a great point in reference to learning the language of the country they inhabit. There is no excuse whatsoever for that. I am not, though, a fan of berating anybody.

    They think you're an illegal because you're hispanic.

    Bet nobody called them illegals, though.

    Hooraaah!
     
  17. DrMark

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    Nope.

    In my day to day life, I don't see folks hating Hispanic people.
     
  18. Beware Owner

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    Look to see those who disguise it under "illegal immigrant" hate, treating them both as one and the same.
     
  19. nursetim

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  20. DrMark

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    Ha! The radical left likes to claim that hatred of illegal immigration is hatred of Hispanics in order to suit their ends, but I don't believe it's common at all.