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How is this thing legal?

Discussion in 'Free Fire Zone' started by Quigley, Mar 18, 2010.

  1. Quigley

    Quigley Elite Member

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    I have seen these around the internet for a while but then it just hit me one day. How does this not make it classify as a SBR?http://www.endotactical.com/

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  2. Butch

    Butch RetiredDinosaur Millennium Member CLM

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    It does make it a SBR.....and one must abide by the law accordingly.

    Gotta look for the small print:

    "In the Unites States all NFA rules apply
    You must register your handgun with the ATF if you plan on adding a stock to it.
    Reference: ATF Form 1"
     

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  3. flynshoot

    flynshoot N Glock I Trust

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    See question 12 of the FAQ:

    http://www.endotactical.com/faq.html

    Is there any way I can get avoid the ATF Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) law?
    Yes. If you have a 16" (or longer) barrel for your Glock.

    fNs
     
  4. skanless

    skanless IPA ISLAND

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  5. Gallium

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    If you are not in the USA, for example?


    'Drew
     
  6. gh0st614

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    Nothing stopping you from ordering it and just leaving it on a shelf tho right?

    I dont really see a advantage to it unless you had a 18 or something.
     
  7. Markasaurus

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    that's a neat little rig. It costs $150 for the adaptor part then you have to buy an M4 folding stock, cheapest one i saw from google is $164. It is legal to buy it in most states, and it's not legal to mount a Glock on it, they tell you so on their site. So you can in theory buy this device and stare at it all day if you like. But the second you try to use it, you're a criminal, unless you want to hassle with The Man for months over making your SBR legal.

    I can't imagine why the gov't felt they had to make such a device illegal in the first place. The idea of pistol-with-stock-added has been tried many times both in peace and for war (mauser "broomhandle" pistol, etc.) and has basically been proven to be totally impractical for any purpose at all, except perhaps as a novelty.

    A high point 9mm carbine costs $250, a ruger PG9 9mm carbine costs $650 at gunbroker, why not look into one of those?
     
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  8. Angry Fist

    Angry Fist Dehumanizer® Lifetime Member

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    Knowingly violating NFA regs by owning a compatible firearm for that piece of equipment would stop me from ordering it... :shocked: unless I already had my tax-stamp. :supergrin:
     
  9. Quigley

    Quigley Elite Member

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    I have no desire to buy one but was just curious and thanks to everyone for the fast responses. I may eventually purchase a Sub 2000 in 40s&w that accepts Glock mags but it is way down my wish list.
     
  10. DaveCharlie09

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    It's legal if you SBR your Glock. But that leaves the engraving question. Do you engrave the polymer "Receiver/Frame"?, or the Slide???????????:dunno:
     

  11. Having that stock and a Glock pistol in your possession is enough for an all expense paid visit to club Fed! :wow:

    Don't do it. :shocked::shocked:
     
  12. Angry Fist

    Angry Fist Dehumanizer® Lifetime Member

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    Once a rifle, always a rifle... I guess you might as well JB weld that thing on once you buy it. I hear you cannot legally convert it back to "pistol" once you modify it... even with the SBR stamp. :dunno:SBR's might not be legal in all states!
     
  13. Angry Fist

    Angry Fist Dehumanizer® Lifetime Member

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    Frame, since a slide is not a "firearm". :supergrin: But engrave all the slides for that Glock, anyways!
     
  14. gh0st614

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    It was never a plan of mine. Its 1000% useless in my eyes. Id rather have one of those folding keltecs for a couple hundred bucks.
     
  15. timbob

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    Sub 2k .40 was going to be my next piece until I realized I should just get a SA58 or STG58 Para (folding stock) 16"-18".

    I'm having dreams nightly about a new FAL...
     
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  16. commando57

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    You should bring it up on your list. They are way cool guns! It caused me to get my first Glock and now I have 3! (27, 23, 22)

     
  17. nedfolks

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  18. The Cavalry

    The Cavalry I said "member"

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    Elsewhere.
    In most countries, you could probably have it...but not the gun.
    :crying:
     
  19. EJP

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    Well, here in Austria those stocks are perfectly legal without any additional costs.
    AFAIK the same applies to germany and switzerland.

    I bought an IGB stock some time ago and it really is fun. Way faster follow up shots, better accuracy at longer ranges... Ok, its a toy but a very enjoyable one...
     
  20. TuxthePenguin

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    So where do you get a 16" barrel for a Glock?