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Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by TLHelmer, Sep 20, 2011.
As far as effectiveness?
either one will kill you
The 45colt had & still has a good rep as a manstopper. A soft, blunt 255gr lead bullet @ 900fps COM is pretty decisive, always has been. I would rate it better than ball ammo in the 45acp, also a decent stopper for FMJ, but doesn't crush enough tissue. Both do better w/ some kind of expansion, bigger bullets, bigger holes, faster blood loss.
wish someone would make a 5 shot snub for 45 long.
I think Taurus made some 5 shot .45 Colts before they got caught up in the Judge fad and put so much of their manufacturing capacity into those mutants.
With all of its case volume, it's pretty easy to get a .45 Colt to push a 250 or 255 grain bullet the same speed as the .45 auto can push a 230. One way of thinking of it anyway...
There's also a whole different level of .45 Colt if you have a frame strong enough to handle it (read Blackhawk). I have a handload that sends a 250 XTP at just under 1,200 fps, and I'm nowhere near the top end of the data. Call it .44 mag territory.
In the factory world, you'll find "+P" .45 Colt ammo that is designed for the really tough framed guns. Buffalo Bore has a few options, for sure.
Most factory ammo is loaded about the same, but 45 Colt has WAY more power potential.
They do in .44 Special which IMO is a more versatile cartridge.
If you're not a handloader then skip a revolver in .45 Colt as factory ammo is notoriously impotent and you'll go broke shooting "boutique" specialty ammo.
I'll agree with the second part of your statement, but I have to disagree with the first.
I have a .45 Colt cowboy load that shoots a 200 grain lrn 800 fps, a lead and jhp standard pressure load (255 at 850 and a 250 at 870 respectively), the aforementioned 250 XTP just under 1,200 and a 300 grain XTPmag load a hair over 1,000 fps.
Sure, .44 special can be loaded light or to Elmer Keith levels, but that's essentially maxing out somewhere around .45 Super levels. Again, the .45 Colt easily gets into .44 mag range (don't try these loads in a single action army clone).
Here's a great writeup on the subject.
You never hear too many recommendations to use 45 acp on bears.
Thanks for your responses! I was actually wondering if they wouldn't be very similar if you put a modern bullet design in the .45 LC. I would think you could load a round that would make them pretty similar in performance if you knew what you were doing with reloading. I am not sure because I don't reload, but it is sounding better all the time.
Anything the 45ACP cartridge can do the 45 Colt can do better because there is room for more powder, (except fit into smaller guns).
...reason being it was originally a black powder cartridge.
If you want to get the whole .45 Colt experience, get a Ruger Blackhawk, a Thompson Contender or a Freedom Arms.
Ruger sells a Blackhawk Convertible with a .45 Colt and a .45 auto cylinder...
Why not just get the Judge or Governor I dont see any reason you have to use anything but 45lc in them.
Tell me you're kidding.
If you want to make a big and I do mean "big hole" in a BG just shoot a dead soft 200 gr FN bullet out of a 45 LC at about 950 fps! You'll be able to run your fist through the hole you'll make clean through! A soft 200 gr bullet in a 45 ACP will do about the same! But semi-autos don't run soft bullets well.
Raging Judge will also handle .454 Casull in case you get bored.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but I agree wholeheartedly...