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Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by OldScribe2009, Jun 25, 2011.
This is another legal/tactical quandry question, for LEOs to NOT answer.
The Cop is the one who made the big production. The Cops should be filmed so when they violate someones civil rights they can be sued, and the Citizen can be set free. It's not Rocket Science.
Not rocket science picking out Agenda Trolls, either.
You'll forgive us if we don't want to talk to you. Well, maybe you won't, but I won't lose sleep. Toodles!
If this is the video the OP is talking about....it's clear she is not arrested for videotaping. Just plain and simple too close to the stop. If she was back another 20 yards or so I am betting they would not even had talked to her. Where she was standing, she could close the gap within just a few seconds....not something officers need when making arrests.
I don't mind if people videotape me...just do it at a safe distance for everyone involved. It is what it is....we have video cameras all around town and many stores have cameras as well. It's no big deal as long as they are not a safety hazard. I don't want to have to divide my attention away from the bad guys I am dealing with to constantly keep telling you to back up.
I would be uncomfortable when dealing with juveniles or victims of sensitive crimes and some goon is videotaping it to put on youtube for the world to see.
I can only assume it is based on the description, the OP would need to confirm it for certain.
They mention something (at 1:21 into the video) she said before the camera started rolling. Knowing exactly what that was would likely help me in forming an opinion on the whole event. If it was a threat of any kind, then I understand them being upset with her presence. If it is not, then perhaps their actions werent justified. I don't know.
What I did notice is that at no point did they ask her to stop recording. Could it have been a threatening comment they mention as the concern? Could it be a precaution to not have an innocent bystander too close in case something goes wrong if bullets start flying? The person they were investigating was actually facing the camera, were they taking precautions? Too many questions for me to form an opinion one way or the other.
Thank you for clarifying it for me, I feel so stupid now. You are right, the Cop is inherently evil and the Citizen is inherently righteous; and video keeps evil from triumphing.
Man, before Louis Le Prince we had a good run.
I'm comin on a ride along. I haven't been to Hollywood in a long time.
Welp! Since we are going down Tidybowl Lane, I'll start popping the popcorn.
Umm what? Seizing private property from a citizen? Hard to see why some cops get a bad rap.
Umm. Wait. So are you saying we should only rely on the officers word and ignore video evidence? I must've misunderstood your point.
It's called "evidence" and it's seized quite frequently.
No. No. I get that... If it's to show a criminal act by the perpetrator... Sure. I can get behind that. I think most citizens would willingly cooperate in such situations.
But if the officers are being caught in the act of wrong-doing and attempt to seize said evidence... Not too much of a stretch that they may try to personally suppress this evidence (i.e. Destroy it).
What's your recommendation there? Just hand it over like a good lil' sheep?
Where do you get that as the scenario that Sam Spade described? How does your initial reply reflect your specific concerns?
Double butter for me.
His statement wasn't specific to that point.
I was merely implying that these encounters arent just to assist with the prosecution of a suspect - there can be other circumstances.
So... How does a law abiding citizen respond to an officer demanding a video of questionable officer conduct? I'm not trying to instigate anything here - a legitimate question, if someone would care to answer it.
Making caramel corn next . . .
There is no one answer to your question as circumstances can and do vary greatly between situations.
I would suggest you spend a few $$$ and talk to an attorney as to what the law in your state says about the matter.
And you know what they say about asking a cop for legal advice...
Evil to him who evil thinks.
Ya know, we don't have a conversational history, so I don't really know your character. But I do know that you waltzed into the thread and led off with an assumption of wrongdoing on the part of LE, tying what you later claim to be a misunderstanding of my clear meaning to a snarky comment. So I'm going to invoke Big Boy Rules and give it to you straight.
If you're inept enough to get caught filming cops committing a felony, and then stupid and inept enough to get caught with the film while they were busy committing their felonies, then yeah, I recommend that you turn it over before you get it beaten from you. How can you possibly be so naive as to think that the criminals you just caught in the act will melt under your righteous indignation and ignore that you hold their freedom and livelihood in that little SIM card of yours? The only explanation I can think of is that you've lived a comfortable sheltered life, protected from reality in large part by the people you're disparaging, and have now confused Hollywood entertainment with reality.
You can get butthurt by this post if you choose. But at least someone has now exposed you to a glimpse of real life. Reread carefully---there are several nuggets of wisdom in this post.
It really can't hurt me or my case, since I am recording as much as I can. I wouldn't even look twice at someone recording me from a distance.
Now as others have mentioned, you get into my scene, and compromise my safety by distracting me. Then we are going to have a problem.
I fail to see the point of your comment. You infer a cause and effect relationship that any cop being videotaped will exhibit their true behaviors and do stupid things.
To that, I say that your impressions of me and my career are far better than my evaluation of your failures at a logical inference and developing a rational point in cognition.
resort to emoting. Reasoned thought has bypassed you.