Ok I get the general idea of it. I recently bought the raven vg2 with belt clip to test out in certain situations. I tried it with a g19 at home and it's fine standing, but sitting it just digs. I'm tall 6'3" and not overweight, so that's not an issue. I normally carry raven phantom OWB with pancake wings. Or threat solutions ucr iwb. Wanna kill these ads? We can help!