I decided to try some of these since I couldn't find Speer's counterpart and they make weired holes in targets. I thought a SWC would cut a clean hole in the target as my LSWC's use to do in this weight but today the holes looked like they had been hit with a 58 cal mini ball. They were very large and "crinkly"looking. I think I've bought my last of these. Fortunately, I only bought 100 to test. I don'thave a pic as I through the targets away. I was surprised that the 230 gr FMJ-FN did a much better job and were very accurate-especially with 8.4 gr of HS-6. Groups ran around an inch and a half at about 10 yards. Wanna kill these ads? We can help!