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Homebuilt Bucket Water Filter

Discussion in 'Survival/Preparedness Forum' started by Bolster, Apr 4, 2012.

  1. Bolster

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    In another thread, two forumites mentioned they were making inexpensive bucket-based water filters. One source was mentioned here.

    This is the coolest idea, I would like to make one, too. Those of you who've made this kit:

    - How do I get started?

    - Is this a water filter, or water purification system? I'm assuming filter (meaning effective against bacteria and protozoan cysts, but not viruses). So does this require additional treatment?
     
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  3. Bolster

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    Thanks. I noticed this at the bottom of the "how to" posted:

    "Super Sterasyl elements can be substituted for the Black Berkey elements."

    What are these? I need to check this out because Berkey won't sell to California (due to misguided nanny-state big-government laws in effect here in CA).
     
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  4. cowboy1964

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    The Super Sterasyl appears to be a good filter too. I don't think they claim it handles viruses but honestly I don't think that's really a problem.
     
  5. i will be using the black berkey elements. i will choose to do bucket berkeys over the stainless versions because i can get free food grade buckets from a local bakery and then make 2 filter sets with 1 filter each. might slow down the production rate a bit but increases the amount you have in each tank. then there is also the whole "1 is none" rule.
     
  6. quake

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    The super sterasyl are the white (older) berkey elements. http://www.bigberkey.com/Super_Sterasyl.html

    Very good, but the black ones are an improvement; at a slightly higher price. We use the black ones, no experience with the white ones.
    One accessory that I'm glad we added is their "sight glass" spigot, so we can see at a glance how much water is in the lower tank.
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    I'd imagine they can be had from coffee-machine manufacturers, etc; basically whoever you'd get the normal spigot from.
     
  7. bdcochran

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    I am building a homemade filter now. I discovered that when you do a two 5 gallon food grade bucket type (see youtube), you need the removable twist tops. The darn tops have to come off for filling and cleaning.

    Sure, I have commercial filters and purifiers. So, why spend about $60 for a homemade filtering system? Just playing with the learning curve. I wanted something easy to use by a small kid and that had a few gallons of water readily available for washing, cooking or drinking.
     
  8. Bolster

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    BD are you using Berkey filters? If so, were you able to locate someone who would ship them to you in CA?
     
  9. bdcochran

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    If you simply buy food grade containers with the standard lids, good luck getting them off. I watched a video on youtube. Apparently, the guy didn't understand that you have to keep replacing water in the upper (bad water) container. This means taking off the top and replacing it. If you are like me and have to hammer off the standard lids, imagine that you have to do it time and again if you don't use a twist off top.

    If your commercial cartridge extension is long enough to fit through a standard bucket bottom and through the top of a twist off lid, great. If not, don't worry about it. All you have to do is to aim the water into the lower bucket. Most tops and bottoms clearly indicate the center. You don't have to cut a big hole in the bottom bucket lid.

    The only potential danger is water from the upper bucket leaking past the filter and down through the hole you drilled in the bottom of the upper bucket. Well, this is why you put a gasket (rubber ring/rubber washer) in place. By the way, there is a very easy way to test whether a washer is working. Fill the upper bucket. Block the hole in the center of the filter cartridge and learn if there is a leak. You don't want a leak anyway so you can use any type of plastic glue to seal the washer in place.:faint:
     
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    I was reading that you only have to clean the bottom bucket every couple weeks. Do you think you could you get away with a gamma lid on top and a regular lid on bottom? I was thinking it might keep little hands out of the bottom too.
     
  11. Bolster

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    I've checked the Berkey eBay sellers. They won't sell Berkeys to California or Iowa, just as Berkey instructs them not to.

    The Berkey's aren't "illegal" in CA. Some confounded CA law is written so vaguely that Berkey doesn't want the potential of a lawsuit. California socialists are forever hyperventilating about what the private sector might or might not be doing, but are relatively unconcerned about government malfeasance. So Berkey has decided to cut off CA and OH, and the ridiculous consequence is we poor CA jerks can't get the best filters out there. Can't say I blame Berkey. Good for them. This actually makes me like the Berkey company more, they won't put up with crap.

    If the rest of the nation were willing to boycott CA and it's stupid laws we could maybe get this ridiculous state fixed. I guess I am a member of the "California Resistance."

    (EDIT: On the other hand, Berkey really gets blasted on Amazon!)

    Anyway. I still need a two-bucket filtering solution, what's my next move?
     
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    How much water does a filter process per hour average time? I am designing a PVC add-on to an truck camper boondock so that the rain would get coarse filtered, then guttered to a feed container for a final filter to have drinking and washing water.

    I didn't catch the fine print. I live in the other banned state.
     
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    I've seen claims of 3-4 gallons per hour with two black elements, but don't believe it. We get maybe 2 gallons per hour, give or take.

    No idea if the white elements are faster or slower.
     
  14. cowboy1964

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    It's Iowa Berkey's can't be shipped to, not Ohio.

    Scared me there for a minute!
     
  15. Bolster

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    Nice, but I don't think those Monolithics are water purifiers. (Meaning, they don't screen viruses.) I think they're just very high quality water filters. Am I wrong?

    In an urban area you need to filter out viruses, as there will certainly be people crapping in whatever water is left.

    Sorry about that. Corrected.
     
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  16. not only people but the same should be thought about if you want to have rain barrels on your gutters. birds poop on your roof too.
     
  17. Bolster

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    Damned birds.

    Speaking of crap, you should see the things people are saying on Amazon about the Berkey Black filters!
     
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    Like what? They ARE crap, or they FILTER crap, or ... ?
     
  19. Big Bird

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    Having a method of making AND storing relevant quantities of your own drinking water is the #1 Prep Item. Top of the heap--hands down. Nothing else matters unless you have water to drink. Not guns, not a mountain of ammo, not 10 years of wheat, rice and beans, not even a pile of gold.

    There are lots of ways to go about this. Not many are long term solutions and most people neglect this mundane aspect of S&P because well, its rather boring.

    Yeah, you can go out and fabricate something that might work--maybe even work well. But then again, why? Seriously, this is the biggest, most critical prep we make! Are we really going to screw around with stuff to save $100-150 on something as crucial as water prep?

    I've used Berkeys to protect my water supply and the water supply of my teammates for nearly a year in some REALLY crappy places. They work. They are easy. The filters will process a lot of water and are easy to maintain. The stainless cleans up nice and easy. Its a compact system. Berkeys are the gold standard in small scale water purification. They have been in use all over the world by countless people living in third world crapholes for decades. They work--period. Why screw with that?

    There are other systems out there similar in price and quality. And its true that in all cases what you are dealing with is a simple upper and lower container with some gravity activated filters in between. But the filters cost ~$100 by themselves anyhow.

    Save your plastic buckets for rice and beans. Spend a little more on your highest priority--H2O! Do it right.