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Home invasions.....THIS is why we carry....

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by Beretta92guy, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. Beretta92guy


    Nov 15, 2011
    even in the home......

    the thread below got me to thinking about the Wichita massacre and what the two carr brothers did to these young people during a brutal home invasion...

    below is a link and a lengthy read, but it is well worth it.........

    this is why my Beretta or Glock stay on, or near me even when im relaxing....

    prepare to get sick reading this,,,,,,,i know i did:upeyes:
  2. I read this several years ago and it's just as sad and depraved now as then. I have no feelings of human compassion or sympathy for animals who commit any sort of murder and when you add to it what these subhumans did to their victims.... well there are hardly words to describe what I would like to see done to them.

    Kansas use to hang murders and in my opinion, hanging is one of the best methods of execution. It's inexpensive and it tends to strike fear in the heart and mind of the condemned. I very well remember celebrating with a friend of mine from Kansas on April 15, 1965 when we heard that Perry Smith and Dick Hickok had been hung for the murders of the Clutter family in Holcomb, a crime that haunts me to this day.

    Are the Carr brothers still on death row? Do you know what the status is at this time?
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  3. Yep, that type of story certainly sets one toward a shoot it out with bad guys mindset, and not give in.
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  4. jamesbern


    Jan 11, 2011
    Connecticut words to describe how much anger I felt reading that.
  5. liberty addict

    liberty addict

    Jun 17, 2005
    Southern Boy -- the article says that in 2004 (when the Carrs were on death row), the Kansas SC found Kansas's death penalty to be unconstitutional. This was being contested but the article says it appears the Carrs would just be in prison for the rest of their lives.
    Another article I saw indicates they are still on death row -- but that Kansas hasn't executed anyone in 44 years. If this had happened in Texas or Oklahoma these two ***wipes would be dead now!
  6. voomie


    Sep 23, 2011
    I couldnt read it past the seconds page with how angry I was becoming. It is a shame that people thing that an expensive classy neighborhood means that it is protected from all crime. I used to think that way until my wife's car got broken into and her work purse stolen out of it. I signed up for my carry course the next day.
  7. Yeah I saw that, but thanks for the get back. I was just wondering if there were any recent changes to their status.

    As for it happening in Texas, same for Virginia. Our two states lead the nation in putting murders in the ground instead of bed and breakfast on the taxpayer dole for the rest of their lives. Here, we take a dim view of crud like this.
  8. ZekerMan

    ZekerMan ZekerMan

    Feb 21, 2010
    I watched some of the trial on the Wichita New Channel, those 2 black brother POS rapist, killers never showed one ounce of remorse and I have no doubt had they gotten away with it they would have done it again. Now they have an appeal coming up in June so I read. This is a sad part of the Justice System that really pisses me off. We have been taking care of these sorry pieces of dirt for 10 yrs. now.
  9. Beretta92guy


    Nov 15, 2011
    thats a shame, too.....these two animals need to be put to death by hanging or firing squad
  10. ZekerMan

    ZekerMan ZekerMan

    Feb 21, 2010
    I agree, feeding those scumbags for a lifetime would be damn shame and discredit to Justice for the families.
  11. IndyGunFreak


    Jan 26, 2001
    These guys deserve to rott for what they did to those people. Another GT'er got me interested in this case a few years ago, and he found a website where you could buy the transcript of HG's testimony for $5.

    It is easily one of the most disturbing things I have ever read in my life. The death penalty is to good for the Carr Brothers.
  12. Beretta92guy


    Nov 15, 2011
    also, i remember reading this story years ago in a magazine, i think it was time or newsweek......

    this story, for some reason, just really disturbs has for years......and i remember reading the lengthy version on the link i posted in the OP.......

    i think the part that disturbs me is just how "random" it was.....and IIRC, they actually got the WRONG house...they thought it was another persons house that they had scoped out earlier and followed home from a parking lot, or something like that.....

    making those young people strip naked, perform dispicable acts on each other, terrorizing them, taking them in trips to the atm machine to get cash, and finally herding them all into that field and executing them......just makes me so GOD FREAKING angry when i think about it........

    If just ONE of those kids had a gun in the house, knew how to use it and ventilated those two worthless pieces of feces!!!!!!

    its amazing the girl that survived was saved by the beret she was wearing in her hair that deflected the bullet that was shot into her head............

    and the part about the two scumbags not even showing a sliver of remorse in court!!!!!

    sickening...........just sickening.......makes me very sad.............
  13. IndyGunFreak


    Jan 26, 2001
    Wasn't one of the brothers (or maybe both?) convicted of the robbery/murder of another woman, that was totally unrelated to this crime?
  14. TrueGunNut


    Apr 28, 2005
    Austin, Texas
    Eye for an eye. I say justice would be dishing out to them what they dished out. Being raped, beaten and executed in the snow! F*%^!!!!!! Pure evil people....
  15. Beretta92guy


    Nov 15, 2011
    yeah, before they did the heinous crime of killing those young people, the approached a middle aged woman in her car and she tried to drive off and shot her in the head, she was dying in the hospital while these two scumbags were commiting their last home invasion/murder that is described in the article
  16. ksmedman


    Nov 24, 2011
    In the middle
    Well, I guess I'll chime in. Can't believe it's been eleven years...

    I knew Brad slightly at KII, where I also worked at the time. That this kind of crime could happen here in Wichita was shocking, that it could happen to someone I knew was startling... My wife and I had moved from Orlando in '97, in part because we were worried about the crime and starting a family. (Cost of living was a big factor too, but that doesn't relate to this story.)

    The crime, and the horrific story of the surviving victim, where a big wake up call for KS, and I maybe even a driver for public opinion and concealed carry... Then the BTK thing came out, and I think people realized that even KS could really be a dangerous place.
    Honestly, KS is a pretty safe place, and Wichita is very safe, statistically, for it's size. But there is no place safe from evil...

    I type this, sitting in my house in Wichita waiting for the debate to start, with a G19 IWB. I carry at home all the time. Even if it's just a J frame in the pocket of my cargo shorts during the summer. My wife carries too, she won't end up raped and executed, not if she can help it.
    I don't think about the Carr bros, (though I do hope they're being ritually raped in prison) but I know that I will never be victimized like those young people were. Can't say I'll never be a victim, but I will do everything I can to change the outcome.
  17. unit1069


    Oct 10, 2007
    So. Central US
    This story presents the dilemma one faces when an assailant has the initiative.

    1) You take your chances and follow the assailant's commands, hoping to survive, as the first victim did.
    2) You follow directions and hope to survive like the rest of the victim's didn't.

    I read as much as I can about real and possible scenarios but when it comes down to it every situation is different.

    Locked doors, outside motion lights, and an alert dog are all good passive and active sentry systems. Just tonight my wife and I noticed a stopped car we both thought looked suspicious, being that this is the time of year when burglars are looking to rob residences. Often in these situations a crime of theft turns into one of murder also.

    Reading this account causes me to pray for the victims and the victims of all those who have suffered a similar fate. It's a real challenge for me to pray for the perpetrators and so far I haven't been able to feel the same commiseration for the perpetrators' condition as for their victims, but all humans fall short I'm told.

    For a long time I've believed in the death penalty for the reason that facing a definite, ultimate, and just penalty for a heinous crime may be the only way someone without compassion, pity, or humanity may find the means to save his/her soul.
  18. Calico Jack

    Calico Jack NO QUARTER

    Apr 11, 2010
    The High Seas
    Wow. It's difficult to even comprehend someone being able to commit such acts.
  19. Maine1


    Jul 20, 2007
    No surprise.
    Even in my small, rural town, we see crimes that we would only expect in larger urban areas. 81 YO lady STABBED to death in her own home. 34 times.
    Kidnappings, home invasions, rapes, armed roberies, machete attacks. In small town USA.
    No mercy is shown by these pukes.

    I have resolved to act well within the law, but to be utterly ruthless and extrmely violent when i have to defend my family. Like all of you i do not WANT to have to do this, i want to be left alone, but i hav essen enough of this to know that i will not allow it to happen to me and mine.
    long ago i commited myself to being armed at all times. And when unarmed, or even naked, i am determined to attack those who would hurt my family with extreme and horrific violence. My goal is to kill the others with the sheer shock of seeing what happens to the first guy.
    Overkill is confidence.
  20. 404GlockR


    Dec 8, 2011
    This is what I refer to when people say im obsessed with my guns....for CCW from the minute I wake up until the minute I go to bed (which at that point I have my G30 1 foot from me) This is a prime example that people can be victimized at ANYTIME....even when you think "its safe now im in bed." Very sad story.... I think the Carr brothers should be used for training purposes for LE and Military.