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Home Defense Question...what would you do if....

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by Chris Brines, Oct 4, 2012.

  1. Chris Brines

    Chris Brines

    Feb 11, 2012
    So...I was talking with a like minded friend on Facebook. I've been meeting like an unbelievable amount of VERY pro gun people on FB lately, so much so that I haven't even been in gun forums much. But anyway, me and these folks were sitting around talking about how much we just don't give a damn what the anti gunners say about us having guns to protect ourselves with, or what laws they get passed. There are bad people in this world, and if it is between us and them, or them and a member of our family, they're going on a one way wherever land.

    And I told the lady about a close call I had in the city I live in (not the only one), and said I live in a major city and that's just how it is in the big city, things happen, you have to watch your back, and be prepared because life around here is anything but predictable. Then I said but it doesn't matter..because bad things can happen literally any time, any place, regardless of location, population size, or gun laws.

    So she told me that a few years ago, one of her girlfriends who lives down the street (in a VERY small town, and rural area), was in the bathroom of her house or something, and her little girl was in the living room. Well out of nowhere some piece of garbage in human form busts through her backdoor, grabs her small daughter, and takes off running out of the house with her. Well....momma had a shotgun.

    She ran out after the fool and told him if he didn't put her girl down he was going bye bye. Needless to say, the guy was convinced. He put her down.

    I told her at first...ya know....if a shotgun is all you have, and a kidnapper (pedophile obviously, and would be child rapist/killer) has your what you gotta do, but truthfully a shotgun might not be the best weapon for that scenario, because of the danger of stray pellets hitting the little girl if she had to shoot. I told her a revolver or semi might be best.

    Then I stopped and was like...ya know, on 2nd thought...maybe a shotgun would be PERFECT for a scenario like that....if you shoot at their legs, made SURE you aim low. Then you'd DEFINITELY hit the fool, and not endanger the child.

    So we pondered on that for a bit and I decided this would be the best place to get a general consensus on the best weapon for that type of nightmare scenario. Because I don't know about you guys, but I have at a pretty close reach a shotgun, a 9mm and maybe even a 357 magnum. But maybe not..who knows?

    Anyway....I'd like to hear what most people say about this, because that is an interesting question, that obviously I pray nobody has to experience, but it might be helpful to just prepare for the worst, yet hope for the best.
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2012
  2. bac1023


    Sep 26, 2004
    I'm not sure how you could shoot the BG with anything while he was carrying a child. :headscratch:

    Especially while you both were running :dunno:
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2012

  3. mortpes


    Oct 1, 2006
    I use 12 GA 2 and 3/4 inch with flitecontrol wad 00 buck. It does keep the 9 pellets somewhat close. No I would not take the shot if very far away.
  4. hwm


    Mar 6, 2011
    If he was running carrying the child you would have a clear shot on his to his back
  5. janice6

    janice6 Silver Member

    Apr 4, 2006
    Rarely will you have the luxury of choosing where on the person, to shoot an individual, when and if you/they are moving.
  6. AlexHassin


    Dec 15, 2010
    well the girls quite small by the sounds of it. so in all likelihood you could shoot his knee. which i would love to do because then i could say. " tell all your friends in jail ' i use to be a child abductor. then i took a shotgun blast to the knee"
  7. Chris Brines

    Chris Brines

    Feb 11, 2012
    Now THAT...would bring me a sense of joy in the midst of a terrifying moment.
  8. 12131

    12131 Monkeyboy CLM

    Nov 17, 2006
    God's Country (Texas)
    The lady grabbed what she had at the time, and the scum complied. End of story. Who am I to question a good outcome?
  9. Clutch Cargo

    Clutch Cargo Amsterdam Haze

    Nov 29, 2010
    I can never answer a "what would you do" question as I have to be in a situation to fully comprehend, then respond.
  10. Chris Brines

    Chris Brines

    Feb 11, 2012
    Yeah, I mean of course. My main reason for this post would be for those with multiple years of experience with guns to tell me if a shotgun would be a better weapon than a pistol or rifle to aim at a guy who had your child in their arms. Main concern being safety of the child. Believe me, if all I had was a shotgun, that wouldn't matter, but it's just something I wondered.

    Either one of two things...a shotgun would be PERFECT for that scenario, or it would be the worst choice. I'd say the one who said they wouldn't take the shot if they were at a distance (I'm thinking 20 yards would be the max), but then again I probably wouldn't do it with a pistol either.

    And to the one who suggested shooting them in the back I don't think that would be a great idea. Buckshot or a typical pistol round would likely go through them and hit the kid.
  11. BEER

    BEER bad example

    May 2, 2006
    Dayton, Texas
    i don't know about the lady in your story bu i'm pretty sure im in decent enough shape to out sprint a guy trying to run while carrying a struggling child.
  12. JaPes

    JaPes Rimfire 1010101

    Aug 21, 2010
    NW Burbs, IL


    If a kidnapper had my son/daughter/niece/nephew in their arms and I had a shotgun trained on the scumbag, I'm making empty threats to shoot. Convincing threats, but empty.

    My goal is to slow down the kidnapper enough so that they do not disappear from my sight. Slow down the escape. Give me a few precious seconds to get out of reactive tunnel vision mode, and into assessment mode.
  13. gunowner1


    Jul 11, 2011
    Jensen Beach
    The woman grabbed what was at hand during that particular moment.I don't think you could say what was "the best" weapon to use during any specific incident. You don't always have time to grab what may be ideal during times of stress. You grab what is on hand and do the best with what you got.
  14. Bruce M

    Bruce M

    Jan 3, 2010
    S FL
    Shooting the kidnapper while he is holding the child is probably about as dangerous as letting the kidnapper leave intact with the child. Sadly the survival rate of the child goes downhill substantially either way. The shotgun may not be the ideal choice.
  15. The_Gun_Guru

    The_Gun_Guru Build the Wall

    An old man chased me and my dad around town a few months ago and I was armed, because I am always armed, and fully prepared to shoot him if he started to get violent. I think that is the key, to BE PREPARED to act if you need to, because you don't know how the situation will play out until you are living it.

    I was very calm and collected, and I can honestly say that I was very proud of myself for being so calm and in control of the situation. Sounds like the "momma" was also in control and I applaud her for that.

    As far as the shotgun question, I think it's a bad idea to shoot someone while they are carrying a child. JMHO:wavey:

    Here in FL I could shoot him in the back with no legal ramifications because we can legally use deadly force to prevent a "forcible felony", such as kidnapping. Would it be safe to take that shot? Probably not! Being a guy though I know that I would at least tackle him and try to scare him off.

    Who knows? It hasn't happened to me....and I hope it NEVER does!!!!

    My children are my world!:wavey:

  16. Louisville Glocker

    Louisville Glocker Urban Redneck

    Dec 17, 2010
    Louisville, KY
    I don't know what kind of shape this lady is in, but for me, that would be a foot chase and tackle scenerio. I'm assuming she couldn't tackle the "bad guy." So, for her any kind of gun and a threat to use it sounds like a good option.

    I know foot chase and tackle might not sound appealing, but that is one of the reasons I study and train using Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ) techniques, as taught by a Navy SEAL (thanks Sensei Mull, if you're out there). Most fights end up on the ground, and if you're on the ground, you want to learn what to do. It takes a lot of practice to get good at it, but you can learn the basics pretty quickly.

    But for the safety of the kid, shots fired would really be a last resort.
  17. AK_Stick

    AK_Stick AAAMAD

    Jan 20, 2004
    Alaska, again (for now)

    I'm pretty sure he has knees/feet.....

    I'd also much rather have my kid go to the hospital to remove a errant pellet or two, than the morgue because he got away.
  18. Psychman

    Psychman NRA Life Member

    Mar 23, 2009

    Why didn't you just hit him with his walker?
  19. KalashniKEV


    Sep 24, 2003
    I'm not commenting on the scenario, but shotguns only really shine in two roles:

    1) Breaching
    2) Non-lethal applications

    ...oh, and ducks and clays and that stuff too.