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Holy hard primers Sellier & Bellot!!!

Discussion in 'The Bull Dawgs Club' started by legion3, Oct 1, 2010.

  1. legion3

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    Just did a range trip with the G39 and G38.

    A couple of observations,

    1. Federal Hydra Shok 230 is very snappy in the G39

    2. Winchester Ranger 230 is very controllable in both guns and smooth shooting

    3. Sellier & Bellot 230 FMJ ammo has some seriously hard primers. About 19 rounds failed to ignite first time out, 5 did not fire on the second try, and 3 took 4 strikes to fire off. And I only used 30 rounds from the 50. It does have that red laquer on it, don't know if thats an issue.

    I know its not the pin (all were through the G38) as the federal and Winchester had no such issues.

    Think I might pass on S&B in the future.
     
  2. David_Ely

    David_Ely GAP'r

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    Thanks for the heads up. I was actually going to seek out a box of S&B ammo to try in my G38.
     


  3. DannyR

    DannyR Moderator Millennium Member

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  4. David_Ely

    David_Ely GAP'r

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    I'm a big fan of S&B ammunition. I have several different calibers of it (mainly surplus military). That's why I was/am seeking a box of 45 GAP to try.
     
  5. Glocks&Ducs

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    Were all the problems with the same gun? It sounds more like you might have a dirty firing pin channel, or possible a broken firing pin in one of the guns. You might even have a problem with one or both of the guns not going completely into battery. Might not be a primer problem at all.

    Although not in 45GAP, I have also shot plenty of S&B and have never had a problem with it.
     
  6. legion3

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    Same gun, but I did say that other ammo ran fine in my OP. I shot the S&B first or tried to, then shot 50 rounds of Ranger and 20 rounds of Federal - the same gun - no issues with the winchester or federal.

    I then went back to some of the misfired rounds and they still had problems.

    The primers had impacts. I have also fire that gun before with Remington, Speer Lawman and Speer GD's with no similar issues.
     
  7. Slug71

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    Strange, might be a bad box of S&B. My G19 loves S&B ammo.

    I would contact them and explain what happened.
     
  8. legion3

    legion3

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    Well eventually all the rounds did fire off.
    And I can find other and cheaper practice ammo than S&B - this was one box I saw at a store so I gave it a try. I have not actually seen another box.

    I have not had problems with S&B in the past in 9mm mostly.
     
  9. Slug71

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    You should probably still email them though.
    Not sure if you saw the post in General Glocking about S&B being made in EU for .45GAP supply over there, but it seemed as though they had just started doing the GAP caliber which makes me think it might have been a bad batch even more.

    Who knows, you may even get a free box of ammo.
     
  10. pds

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    I shot a box of these in both a G38 and G39 with no problems. Went bang every time and very accurate. Did you notice they are primed with Large Pistol primers!!!
     
  11. David_Ely

    David_Ely GAP'r

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    That's scary! They could be using cut down 45ACP brass to load their GAP ammo. :wow:
     
  12. dudel

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    Before 45 GAP, there was 45 GLOCK. It did have large primers. It's been discontinued by most.
     
  13. Glocks&Ducs

    Glocks&Ducs

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    I'm pretty sure that was in the development stages, and those never hit the market.
     
  14. Dingus

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    Speer/Glock changed to small pistol primers during the ststing/development stage.
     
  15. amazingphotos

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    I have some Speer 45 GAP ammo with large primers. Sounds like they might be collectable.
     
  16. legion3

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    sure enough S&B uses large pistol primers. Why?
     
  17. fasteddie565

    fasteddie565 Combat Diver

    Legion,

    Not sure what you do with the FHS, but I would switch to a bonded bullet like the Speer Gold Dot. I have several colleagues that have first hand experience in shootings with G 21's and FHS rounds, none of which resulted in a fatality due to the bullet breaking apart. Bonded bullets pose a significantly lower risk of the bullet breaking up.
     
  18. legion3

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    I currently carry Winchester Ranger 230 grain bonded in both my 45GAP's.

    I also have some of the non bonded versions of the Rangers too.

    The Federal HS was simply because I cam across some and thought I would try them out.