you know - all this talk about & waiting for sabots has really gotten to me. i just cant stand it anymore. i want to load something. SO, im going to take some Speer 50 grain TNT's and wrap the bullets up as tightly as i can in teflon pipe tape until they are about .452-.460 inches, and then stuff them into 45 acp cases full of bullseye and cut them loose in my 625. if i had a 610 id try to do this in 10mm but i dont so i wont. i figure at least we can start experimenting with quasi saboted 223's in our 10's and 45's. probably a 610 (or 625) would allow some of the load development to progress without having to worry about slide velocity and automatic function of the G20. we can sort all that out later IF we get sabots. STOP THE MADNESS! somebody give me some sabots before do something really foolish - please!