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Here's my idea, what do you think? Glasers...

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by Stevenson, Jan 25, 2012.

  1. Stevenson

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    What are everyone's thought on Glasers or other frangibles?

    Here is the way my mind works. Feel free to tell me Im crazy...

    My thinking is to carry a Glaser in "the hole" then the rest of the mag is full of JHP. My thinking is that no matter how much practice/training, when the %#*+ hits the fan my 1st shot will most likely be least accurate. My thought of making my 1st shot a frangible I might "wing em'" or stun them so I can get a more accurate 2nd, 3rd etc shot off.

    Plausible, crazy? Better idea?

    Your thoughts?
     
  2. Tiro Fijo

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    Take up golf.
     

  3. cowboy1964

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    A crappy round is a crappy round, whether it's the first or the last.
     
  4. pisc1024

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    I would suggest picking a good JHP and stick with it. There is no need to mix and match rounds in your gun for any reason.
     
  5. Foxtrotx1

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    What if your first round hits, but since it's a less effective round, you have to fire 4 "more lethal" rounds, but 3 of those miss?
     
  6. Berto

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    I would load up with the ammo you'd use if you only had one shot.
    It wouldn't be Glaser.
     
  7. Shenron

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    The Glaser rounds are a specialty round and should only be used in very specific situations.

    Honestly, the only situation I can think of is if you live in a thin walled apartment complex with your neighbors front door exactly in front of yours. Like I do...

    I would not recommend them in anything but a wheel gun, they have a chance to cause cycling problems. I would definitely have a speed loader or two full of JHP's just in case though.
     
  8. dkf

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    Rounds such as Glasers, EFMJ and etc go thru walls and can still be lethal. No point to any of them IMO.(Well unless you live in commie NJ)
     
  9. pisc1024

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  10. Shenron

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    Wow, Aint that a B*$#%. There goes that idea.
     
  11. PghJim

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    Try starting on page 46 of this magazine. Since it did not fit Roberts bias that slow and heavy is best, not much reals testing besides gel is done. I think the hogs in this article would disagree with Roberts. Just shows hogs have good taste. We need get out of the box sometimes.

    http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com/FMGPublications/AmericanCop/ACJA09/
     
  12. Jim S.

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    I would tend to think that the first round out would be rather important.
    You may not get the chance to screw up the first round and then make up for it.
    Practice.
    Practice realistic gun fighting and try to become familiar with drawing quickly and getting rounds on target.
    I think that if you need to fire multiple rounds while someone is firing back at you then that first one may be the best aimed round of them all.
     
  13. DocKWL

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  14. DocKWL

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    Who told you Dr. Roberts said slow and heavy was best?

    You too need to crawl out from under that box.
     
  15. PghJim

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    All you need to do is respond to the article posted about a specific ammunition deemed to be falsely advertised. I have many quotes on your thoughts on this round.

    I read every link you have posted and I am sure I missed something. Please boil down your respones on the links. I am not talking about frangable ammo. I am talking about this particular ammo. I did not post a link to a ninja forum, but to a magazine reporting on an actual event.
     
  16. DocKWL

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    I would suggest you read my thoughts on the slow/heavy comment HERE. Post 16 in a thread in this forum.

    As for LeMas, I suggest reading THIS
     
  17. PghJim

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    Just because you conducted a good smear campaign, does not mean you are correct. You have not addressed the actual observations in the article, and you may want to look at this also. When I say, "out of the box", I mean cold ballistic gel may not work for all ammunition.

    http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11179&highlight=rbcd

    By the way, your list of ammo does show a slow/heavy - fast/light bright line. The only light bullets are copper and there are no 115 +p+ 9mm. To think that all of the experience from the ISP and the border patrol mean nothing.
     
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  18. DocKWL

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    Yes, you are right. LeMas is magic ammunition that defies the laws of physics.

    Smear campaign? Hardly.

    No? I'm wondering if you read the link I posted.

     
  19. PghJim

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    That may be true, but it does not say anything about the actual results. I gave you a magazine article with pictures and a link from Professional Soldier with pictures. Please address the results of the studies. He may have violated some animal rights law, but I will take a live hog to cold gel test anytime.

    As far as the law of physics, in the article they found the ammunition did not fragment in colder simulant, but did in warmer simulant.

    No comment on my slow/heavy remark????
     
  20. DocKWL

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    To comment on your edit,

    I will stay focused on your 9mm. A full nine out of the fourteen loads listed are under 147gr. with the 147gr. being considered as the slow and heavy bullets that cause so much concertation within this caliber. Not bad considering your unsupported claim of, "Roberts bias that slow and heavy is best".

    The ISP and USBP seem to be getting along just fine without their 115gr +P+.