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help me build a patrol rifle

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by apphunter, Jul 31, 2011.

  1. apphunter


    Mar 3, 2005
    Our Chief is changing our policy to allow for personally owned rifles to be carried in the car. I already have but I would like to make some changes and would like some suggestions. I would like to add an eotech, front quad rail, a vertical forend (I'm considering this ) a light system and flip up front iron sights. I need suggestions on which models and manufacturers from people who actually have some of these items. I will actually use it on patrol. Mounting it in the car hasn't been addressed yet but I'm thinking that they will be carried in a soft case in the trunk if that makes any difference. Thanks in advance for the suggestions.

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  2. lndshark


    Nov 15, 2009
    NOT the PNW (yet)

    ...saving this thread for personal research...

  3. pal2511


    Sep 15, 2002
    Look at the magpul angled foregrip. I do not personally have one but I know a few who do and they love them.
  4. pal2511


    Sep 15, 2002
    You might want to look at the aimpoint patrol optics pro. Its about $400 with a mount. Are you going to get a free float or drop in quad rail?
  5. msu_grad_121

    msu_grad_121 BOOSH

    Sep 16, 2009
    NW Burbs
    Are you married to that A1 front sight? If at all possible, I'd look into the GG&G, MI or Troy Battle Sights. For the record, I've heard good things aobut the Troy "diamond" sights, but never used them. Of course, if you don't mind that sight, you don't have to stick with it, but personally I hate them. Just my .02.

    I'm a fan of the Hogue pistol grip, heard good things about the Magpul furniture, and definitely get some kind of a sling. I've used 3 point slings with great results, but I know the single point slings are all the rage right now. Keep us posted!

    Oh, and pics should be forthcoming!
  6. A great choice if operating on a budget, I looked at this optic and it looks great. I have run several different aimpoints and EoTech's, with and w/o magnifiers, etc. I recently picked up an Aimpoint Micro T1, you can look at the Micro H1 if you don't need/want the NV option. This optic is light weight, a managable 4MOA dot, mounted on a tall Larue base.

    Keep in mind the KISS principal. You already have a great rifle there, don't over ninja-fy it. Based on the link you posted up to your rifle...I would only look at adding the Aimpoint PRO, Micro H1 or T1 (your choice) and a white light that you can mount on the front sight tower or to the existing handguard. These look promising though I have not tried one yet .

    Don't care for the grip-pod...too heavy and its a patrol rifle not a sniper rifle, why bother with the bipod....MHO.
  7. pal2511


    Sep 15, 2002
    I agree you won't need the bipod. Get an afg or nothing. They have been shooting the ar-15 for decades without a front grip
  8. old_pigpen

    old_pigpen Huh? What?

    Nov 4, 2007
    In a house
    When I started customing my AR carbine, I added a red dot on an extended mount for cowitnessing, vertical grip, railed forend, light, laser, single point sling mount and a clamp that allowed me to clamp two magazines together.

    However, all that stuff made it VERY heavy. I'm down to what I believe is the minimum I need, which is a light, red dot, rear BUIS, single point sling and dual magazine clamp. The extra magazine clamp does add some weight, but I like having another 30 rounds immediately available with my carbine.

    Amen!! Everyone's needs are going to be different. Pick the stuff you really need on there (not the nice to haves.)
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  9. OFCJIM40

    OFCJIM40 Happy Jaeger

    Jan 22, 2001
    Chicago-area, IL.
    This is all my opinion:
    -Leave the front sight. Don't mess around with having to change out the gas block, etc., there's better places to have your money spent. You don't even notice it when using an optic.
    - Pass on the GripPod. I got one on a cheap deal and I'd sell it in return for cheap. It's simply too big. I'd go with a stubby VFG (I have a LaRue FUG but there are many others now) and learn how to use it properly. You don't grip it like a broom stick, it should be used more like a handstop.
    -Light. You can get an older SF 6P super cheap now. Then swap out the bulb with the high output Malkoff Devices LED. My whole flashlight setup cost me about $110 and it friggin rocks. Don't spend $300 on a "Scout light", blah blah. Of course buy a good mount.
    - I like MagPul products. I put a MOE grip on and a CTR buttstock and both are great. For Forend you can go cheap and also get an MOE. Or get anything made by LaRue, Midwest, Troy, Samson or other good company that floats your boat. I have a drop in Troy that's I've been very happy with.
    -Optic, have an Aimpoint T-1 and love it.
    -Get a good 2 point sling, I use the VTAC and love it.

    Avoid Tapco, AAC or other cheap/Chinese knockoff products.

    That should do it.
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  10. apphunter


    Mar 3, 2005
    what are the differences and is there any advantage of one over the other and what are the cons of each?
  11. boomhower


    Feb 14, 2010
    North Carolina
    My suggestions:

    Optic: Aimpoint Pro. By far the best option for a budget patrol rifle. I chose it for the price and battery life. For a patrol rifle the ability to leave it on makes it a superior choice over an eotech. Grab the rifle and go, no need to be hunting for buttons to turn it on or worry about the battery being dead.

    BUIS: Leave the post and consider a fixed rear. I have a DD fixed rear with a standard post up front. If the SHTF and your optic dies in the middle of a fight you don't want to be flipping button to get your sights up.

    Light: I went with a TLR-1S. Price, performance, and weight is why I chose it. When I put all the criteria in it came out as the best choice. I also like that it is much more compact than a standard light with mount.

    Rail: Troy drop-in for cheap or Daniel Defense Omega is you have the $.

    Grip: Skip the bipod. I am assuming your are a run of the mill patrol officer like I am. You aren't going to be taking 100 yard shots prone other than on the range. Get something compact and light weight. Either a stubby grip of a Larue FUG. Also give the AFG2 a look, skip the first AFG as it screws with light mounts.

    Sling: Must have. I strongly suggest a two point sling. Once you add a rail you will have a myriad of mounting options. When it's time to go hands on you don't want you rifle bouncing around on a one point.

    My patrol rifle set-up:
    Daniel Defense V3 LW
    Aimpoint Pro w/ ADM lower 1/3 mount
    FailZero BCG
    Geiselle SSA Trigger
    Blue Force Gear QD 2 point sling
    BattleComp 1.0
    TruGlo front sight post
  12. MakeMineA10mm

    MakeMineA10mm * * * * Millennium Member Lifetime Member

    Feb 13, 1999
    Central Illinois
    My three big suggestions:

    Pistol grip - I HATE the A2 (or for that matter the original) itteration of the pistol grip. Too small, not shaped right, puts trigger finger at wrong place to manipulate the trigger, IMO. I replace all AR pistol grips with the Ergo Grip.

    Sling - I agree 1000% with what was said above about avoiding one-point slings. I use a 3-point Giles Tactical Sling, and recommend it highly. Learn to use it, and it will show you how effective/helpful it is.
    Giles Tactical Sling by Winderness Products

    KISS - You don't need 1/3 of all the stuff we're talking about. Long guns serve two purposes in standard law enforcement (as opposed to SWAT or snipers), and those are: Perimeter weapons and a back-up of superior power to take care of the problem that your handgun is not dealing with... A sling and good iron sights is really all you need. A supplemental magazine carrier (like the Redi-Mag) is OK, but a bail-out-bag in the trunk with a couple extra mags will suffice. -- Spend money on ammo and not accessories and actually go out and shoot it a lot. I'd rather have someone with a stock "A1" configuration rifle who knows how to shoot it, than someone with all the gadgets who can't hit the side of a barn...

  13. I could be wrong, I was married twice so I know it's happened before, but did you mean CAA?

    To build on my earlier post. My personal gun unfortunately under current department policy can't be carried on duty, so I will break down the differences between the two:

    Personal gun:
    Colt 6933 11.5"
    AAC Blackout Flash hider and AAC M4-1000 Suppressor
    MagPul CRT Stock
    MagPul MIAD Grip
    Knight's UVX free float rail
    Surefire Scout white light
    Tango Down Stubby VFG (used as a handstop)
    LaRue QD LT-103 BUIS (Rear), Standard A2 Front Sight Tower
    Aimpoint Micro T1 on LaRue tall mount
    Vickers Sling mounted on Daniel Defense QD points on buffer tube and rail

    Each item has a specific purpose and were chosen for function and light weight. This would most likely be my "Go To" gun for home defense. The M4-1000 making a huge difference with regards to impact on hearing damage should it be discharged in the house.

    Work Gun:
    Bushmaster XM15E2S
    Vickers Sling mounted on the standard collapsable stock and GG&G QD mount on Front Sight Tower
    Surefire M500 Handguard/Light

    That pushes the limits on mods currently permitted under policy.
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  14. CAcop


    Jul 21, 2002
    Start off with a light. There are things like Elzetta or pieces of pic rail that go on the front base.

    Then add a sling. I say stay away from three point and single point slings. Vickers and Viking Tactics are the best.

    Optics I dislike but if I had to get one it would be one of the old school red dots. The new ones seem kind of tiny. A coworker has one on his SWAT gun and you end up searching for the scope. The bigger older ones just end up in your sight.

    My recommendation is to resist the urge to put crap on your gun. Unless you are someone with a big budget or dedicated to spending money on ammo you are better off going with a "substandard" set up on your gun and learning how to shoot it well than pimping out a gun and only shooting it a couple time a year. You will see people like that on the net who only shoot their guns in training classes and never practice what they learned in a class between classes.
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  15. OFCJIM40

    OFCJIM40 Happy Jaeger

    Jan 22, 2001
    Chicago-area, IL.
    Lol!!!! Bodyarmorguy, you are correct with CAA. As for me only on my second marriage :whistling:
  16. Cochese

    Cochese Most mackinest CLM

    Jun 30, 2004
    Unmarked Rustbox
    My favorite rail is the Viking Tactics VTAC handguard.

    It is the lightest, strongest and cheapest option.

    I use an EOTech XPS 3.0.

    Lightest and newest technology. Better button placement if you want to run a magnifier.

    Light system, I'd go with a Surefire X2/300 or TLR-1 C4 mounted at 12 o'clock in front of a flip up front sight.

    Vertical fore grip, I prefer a Magpul AFG. Personal preference. I used a grip pod for a while and it is NOT practical for a patrol rifle. It is huge, and I didn't deploy it enough to really justify the weight and larger footprint.

    AFG is something you need to train a bit with, as it alters the typical stance/grip fielding a patrol rifle but it really is the cat's ass.

    Flip up sights, if you want to spend a little money, but a set of Troy's would be nice.

    Or if you are on a budget, go order some Magpul MBUS.

    I sold my LMT and assembled a purpose built lightweight duty carbine using these components.



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  17. Cochese

    Cochese Most mackinest CLM

    Jun 30, 2004
    Unmarked Rustbox
    Keep in mind, if you want to run a longer rail system for a rifle length sight radius, you will need a low profile gas block.

    I only use VLTOR.
  18. Cochese

    Cochese Most mackinest CLM

    Jun 30, 2004
    Unmarked Rustbox
    IMO, you shouldn't be going "hands on" with a carbine in your possession, unless it is a last resort.

    A cover officer(s) should be responsible for arrest/control.

    If, in a last resort, I WAS detaining/handcuffing someone while fielding a carbine, I would rather have a single point to keep the gun BEHIND me and out of immediate sight/grasp lunging distance of the BG.

    I've had to run/hop fences/blahblah with a patrol rifle and doing anything with a two point is a pain in the ass.

    I switched to a single point in 2007 and never looked back.

    I'm NOT saying Boomhower is wrong, I just have a different POV. :patriot:
  19. Cochese

    Cochese Most mackinest CLM

    Jun 30, 2004
    Unmarked Rustbox
    Another thing to consider...

    That VTAC handguard will allow you to store it in most car racks, in case you guys go with those instead of casing it in the trunk.

    Also... if this is your carbine:


    ...and you are going as cheap as possible, then my suggestion is:

    Keep the fixed front sight. (FREE)
    Keep the folding rear that's on there. (FREE)
    Keep the stock, or buy a Magpul MOE for (FREE/$29)
    Keep the grip and file off the separator and stipple it, or get an MOE for (FREE/$29).
    Buy a TLR-1C4. The strobe is unnecessary as it is highly unlikely you will EVER field it that way. ($100)
    Buy a Magpul MOE handguard and add bits of rail only where you need them. ($29)
    Run an AFG or AFG2 under the MOE handguard or skip it altogether. (FREE/$29)
    Get a Magpul ASAP sling plate and consider an MS2 sling or a P.I.G MKI sling. ($60-70)
    ( )

    The MS2 will let you decide if you want two point or single point and it is relatively inexpensive. The P.I.G. MKI/II are well built, padded and inexpensive. The I is standard, the II is bungee. Preference.

    Here is my HD gun, built off of my wife's Colt 6721.


    Using the stuff I posted, you can have it ready for patrol for as little as $200, or $300 shipped, replacing stock/grip.

    Good luck and KEEP IT SIMPLE!