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Hardchrome and Imperfections?

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by GJ1981, Dec 16, 2010.


  1. GJ1981

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    I'm having some work done on my TRS and got a call from the shop. They are concerned over how Baer does they checkering, and with the HC, they feel it will look terrible. The main thing is the inconsistent depths, flattened points, etc.

    Now, I'm not overly concerned with looks, I care about function. That said, how bad is HC about showing minor flaws? I've heard/read it's bad but I've never really had experience with HC.

    I'm just debating my options, a different finish, having the shop fix the flaws, or not worrying about it. I think I know what I'll do, I mainly interested in hearing about HC.


    For reference of how Baer's checkering is. My Baer with it's new Legacy Custom Magwell.



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    Hard chrome can make flaws stand out much more than they do otherwise when it comes to broken tips and things of that nature.
     

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    Yes. I have had bad hard chrome jobs before, and they suck. And yea, any flaw will REALLY stand out.

    Now, I have had a 1911 hard chromed before, with 20 LPI checkering (a TRP). The shop (Tripp research) screwed up the finish on some of the small parts and a couple of other places - but their job on the checkering was perfect.
     
  4. GJ1981

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    This will be going through Metaloy if everything goes as planned. I want to do a 2-tone for some reason.

    The issue with flaws being so critical is making me think twice though.

    I :dunno: I have so many black pistols I wanted a change, but I'm starting to ask myself if it's worth it or not.
     
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    So just have the slide HC'd then. Don't even mess with the checkering. Then you will have the 2-toned look you're going for. :thumbsup:
     
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  6. MD357

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    HC brought out all the little imperfections (small amounts of pitting) on my Colt carry gun. Oh well, the HC is standing up to quite a bit of holster wear.
     
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  8. GJ1981

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    I honestly don't care for that style of 2-tone for some reason.

    I just wish I could see how bad things would be. The shop may be making sound worse than they are, but then again, maybe not.
     
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  9. MD357

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    Here's the gun via crappy Iphone. Sorry, I'm no Quack when it comes to pics. Forgive the box, I'm moving into a new home soon.

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    Oh and FWIW, this gun has probably close to 4K rounds through it? and has been carried for nearly nearly two years. HC does hold up pretty good IMO.
     
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    Yes, other than the CDP Kimbers, I don't care for reverse 2 tone either.

    But, hard chrome is not fantastic for rust protection - keep this in mind if you want to carry it IWB...

    I really want to carry my Full Rail Custom Shop Operator - but I don't want to rust up such an expensive gun. And, while it offers some protection, its not really a good finish to prevent rust...
     
  11. GJ1981

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    I have heard that but don't know since I tend to go for the black finishes.

    I'm more of a OWB and kydex type lately.
     
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  12. MD357

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    That's not true. Honestly, there are some exceptions of guys that have toxic sweat, but by far and large you'd have to neglect a PROPERLY chrome'd gun pretty bad to see it rust.
     
  13. GJ1981

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    I've never had issues with rust on my carry pistols luckily. However, if I did on my current builds, Metaloy has a great warranty to cover it.
     
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    I think Metaloy is some of the best HC around.
     
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    It IS true. I will say that I REALLY want to carry that hard chromed Full Rail Custom Shop Operator - I've even asked for others who have experienced rust on their hard chromed carry guns to tell me about it... As, while it's not a super common occurrence, it happens often enough to give me pause to0 carry a hard chromed $3k gun.

    Hard chrome has microscopic pores that can allow rust to begin. Can some shops do a better job than others? Yes. However, the issue can vary from specimen to specimen, and there really isn't a decent way to know it will happen until it does. I've seen reports of too many rusted hard chromed guns over the years to risk it, personally...

    There was a rusted Nighthawk story posted in this forum just a week or two ago in fact.

    Does every hard chrome gun rust when carried IWB? No. It it was a sub $1000 gun, I might even be tempted to risk it, I suppose.

    When I carried my P99c with a hard chromed slide for over 3 years, I was using an OWB leather holster. So, if I got sweat on the gun, it was only ever on the grip. And usually, I never got sweat on the gun.

    If I could open carry, I'd carry my hard chromed 1911, because I wouldn't have it up against my side like that. But, otherwise, I wouldn't do it. And for every guy who claims that their hard chromed gun isn't rusting, you can find someone who's gun has... And, some of these guys claim that they tried to protect the gun and use substances to lessen the changes, but it still happened.

    Back when Tripp Research did hard chrome, he even had a super long page with technical facts and such - detailing how hard chrome was not a great rust p-roof finish, and why this was so.
     
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    There is Metaloy and then there is Mahovski's Metalife (a different company)... I had Mahovski's refinish a slide on a polymer gun and remove some engraving on it beforehand. I was told that they could do it, and even checked with them after they received the slide and looked at it.

    I've seen guys who have had words removed on 1911 slides for years... Well, let me tell ya that they ruined the appearance of the slide - I mean BAD. Itw as so bad that I just sold the gun as a beater.

    I've had issues with Tripp Research a couple of times in the past, and had tos end stuff back to him. 1 time, it still didn't come back done right. Admittedly, I didn't give mahovski's a chance to fix it - because I didn't want to go thru the hassle like I got from Tripp's, and it was just SO bad that I didn't see the point in giving them another chance...

    But, admittedly, there are guys who love a certain hard chromer, and then there will be some negative experiences as well...

    Mahovski was on the lower priced spectrum, so that is why I gave them a chance...

    I always thought I'd give Ford's a chance if I ever deal with hard chrome again...

    I don't know who does the hard chroming for Springfield. Tripp used to do some hard chroming for different companies. If I remember right, Metaloy does it for Nighthawk.. BUt then look at the guy who had the rusted Nighthawk just recently...
     
  17. MD357

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    Yep, and I've seen a Glocks rust too. Doesn't mean it's the norm. Oh and that gun I posted has easily the work you have in your operator in it.

    Sorry, but I've been carrying HC'ed 1911 of some sort for years with no problems. I've seen guns that were chromed in the 80s still hold their finish. I don't think it's the end all be all but it's a great rust resistant finish, that doesn't mean rust proof and it matters who did it. Granted you have to do your job aswell.
     
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    My Baer TRS is hard chromed, and it looks great. I really like it, and it's holding up perfectly.
     
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    What is everyone's opinion on NP3 from Robar. I know it isn't 'hard chrome' but it looks like a matte chrome doesn't it? Better rust protection? --Rob
     
  20. GJ1981

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    It's great, I've had it on a old pistol.

    The looks can be tricky, it tends to be more of a dull gray and can look yellowish/gray at times.

    It does have excellent corrosion resistance, probably better than HC.

    I was going to use it but was told it too would show imperfections.