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Gun show loop hole??

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Psychman, Dec 19, 2012.

  1. gwalchmai

    gwalchmai Lucky Member

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    As I said, the organizers of gunshows can prohibit private sales on the premises if they want. And that's how it should be.
     
  2. M&P15T

    M&P15T Beard One

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    No, YOU'RE about to let it happen, by assuming a "break but don't bend" attitude.

    We as gun owners are at a very pivitol point, with a massive majority of folks in this country emotionally over-reacting to what happened in CT, and our very rights on the line. We may lose big-time, because we are refusing to do anything other than push back against everything.

    It is at this very exact moment when we need to be playing the game of popular opinion in the media, and at least look like we are trying to join the population in trying to make a positive difference.

    Again, gun owners are our own worst enemy, and I fear we could lose much, much more due to a "break but don't bend" ignorant ass attitude most folks here seem to have. If we give on something that really means nothing, have our say in crafting the legislation by working through the NRA (thereby keeping our own concerns first and foremost), we can keep our rights and freedoms, and look better in the light of overwhelmingly negative media attention on us.
     

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    M&P15T Beard One

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    Who the **** said anything about supporting a 10 day waiting period? Are you daft man?
     
  4. dbcooper

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    Yes, in Jacksonville Fl. There were two gentlemen with card tables with a hand written sign reading "Private Seller" taped to the table. The guns they had were high end collectible types, a 44 automag, some old boxed Colt SAAs, and a couple of high dollar bolt action rifles.

    I can't imagine some gangbanger shelling out 5 to 15 grand for the stuff they had for sale to rob and pillage
     
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  5. M&P15T

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    And hereine layeth the problem.

    Freedom is absolutely NOT ABSOLUTE.

    It requires a constant vigilance and sacrifice. It requires working hard and taking the initiative.

    In short, it requires engaging in and working our political system hard. Which means knowing when to bend but not break, and how to craft legislation that LOOKS like we bend, but actually causes no harm to our.....cause.

    But we as gun owners have dug our heels in, and absolutely refused to play the political game, which controls EVERYTHING in this country. And in doing so, we are driving the nails into our own coffins.

    The NRA could work to close this non-existant loop-hole, in a manner which really does NOTHING, but give the anti-gunners a political win. And if we also ask for additional concessions from the other side which do MORE to help our cause (in exchange for closing the gun-show loop-hole), we could actually come out ahead in this game.

    And if you don't think that we must give the anti-gunners a political win, you are sorely not understanding how things work in this country. Right now every elected official is getting letters and e-mails by the hundreds of thousands that demand their action, and threatening to remove them from office if they don't do something. Even NRA "A" rated conservative Republicans have already come out and said they will support some type of anti-gun legislation. That should clearly demonstrate how close we are to losing BIG TIME!

    But this would require a level of political savy and understanding that most here seem to be completely devoid of. All I'm hearing is children pouting and chanting "NO! NO! NO!".

    We are our own worst enemy.
     
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  6. mgs

    mgs Always Carrying Millennium Member

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    Long guns only! All handguns require a background check.
     
  7. gwalchmai

    gwalchmai Lucky Member

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    Can you point to some examples where throwing the antis a bone resulted in an expansion of gun rights? They are a ratchet, like a boa constrictor tightening with your every exhalation.
     
  8. gwalchmai

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    Not in GA.
     
  9. G36's Rule

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    No, we are not devoid of this "understanding" we have just seen it in action far more than you have. And we have watched guys like you compromise us too much. That has been the entire history of this battle since 1968.

    Get over yourself. You are not the first to think he could control the fight without first showing you are willing to fight.
     
  10. Z71bill

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    You need to think of gun control from the anti's perspective - as a marathon not a sprint.

    Sort of like the old -

    How do you eat an elephant?

    One bite at a time.

    What happens after the next school shooting - and the next and the next and the next?

    Some guy buys 5 revolvers and a box of ammo at 10:00 AM on Monday - shoots up a school at 10:10 AM the same day.

    Then a 10 day waiting period AND a limit on 1 gun a year looks reasonable. :upeyes:

    Nobody NEEDS a gun that fast - nobody needs 5 revolvers.

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    Someone should ask the folks that are starting to cave in and agree to an AWB - & 10 round mag limit.

    What happens if the next school shooting is 2 pump action shotguns, a revolver & a 1911 with five 8 round mags. You going to want to ban them too?

    OF COURSE - the antis are not trying to close the gun show loop hole - they are trying to eliminate private gun ownership. Not reduce - not control - not regulate - BUT ELIMINATE.

    If you can't understand that you have not been paying attention.
     
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    Depends on state law. In Texas, there is no anything for prison to person sales.
     
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    No,no....

    M&P is going to stop all that by compromising this one, more, time.
     
  13. dbcooper

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    You could require checks for all sales but there would be no way to enforce it among all gun owners without a full registration system. The guy at the gun show would have to comply, the guy selling out of is home to a friend or guy selling out of the trunk of his car in NYC or Chicago wouldn't. The only way to know if they had sold anything would be by registering all weapons and periodically checking to see if everyone still had all thier guns or after the fact when one was used by someone other than the origional buyer.
     
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    I'm not reading every post in the thread to check, but if someone hasn't already pointed it out, the 'gun show loophole' isn't about gun shows. It's about eliminating private face-to-face sales completely. They say 'end the gun show loophole' but the effect will be that all gun sales will required to go through an FFL. That means FFL fees, NICS fees, and of course $ale$ tax. But more importantly, it gives the government oversight of all firearm transfers. Once they get that, they start selling the public on the next step (registration).
     
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    +1

    They need registration in order to meet the final goal - which is CONFISCATION.
     
  16. M&P15T

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    You are trying to understand what is happening RIGHT NOW, by looking to the past, and this may have grave consequences.

    NOTHING, no other tragedy in recent times, has effected the anti-gunners, libs and hippies like this recent shooting in CT. You are trying to decide what to do now, based on what has happened in the past, and you're not understanding the dire situation we find ourselves in now. When NRA "A" rated conservative Republicans are throwing in the towel to stay in office, you should know that things are really, really bad.

    The last decade has seen a dramatic increase in our rights. To assume that we will never see any set-backs, to not be able to accept any set-backs, is pure political folly.

    Over time our gun rights will ebb and flow with the political winds sweeping across this country. But to be able to hold onto the core of the 2A, we have to know when to bend. Because if we do not bend, and RIGHT THE HELL NOW, we could really, really screw ourselves.

    We must do someting positive in the court of public opinion, and we need to do it right now.
     
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  17. Psychman

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    This would likely be acceptable to most of us. Their gun show and their rules.
     
  18. Chuck TX

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    It'll be proposed along with other compromises. If not now, then the next time.

    You're not thinking clearly if you actually believe compromising rights has worked so far and is likely to work in the future. It hasn't. No compromise of the 2nd has prevented further infringement later on. What gives you the impression it ever will?

    It will never be enough for some when it comes to control.
     
  19. gwalchmai

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    Nonsense. The antis played the same song after Columbine, Jonesboro, and all the others.

    So then you should be able to point to those examples I asked for.
     
  20. Leigh

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    Nor KY.....