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Gun ammo "hoarders"

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by eccho, Mar 26, 2013.

  1. Angry Fist

    Angry Fist Dehumanizer® Lifetime Member

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    Poor 'ol Al Capone....
     
  2. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    If you are worried about tax evasion, then I am sure you give out 1099-Misc forms for transactions that you participate in.

    I bet that you even turn into your state the required use tax forms. You realize that if YOU buy something without paying sales tax, that you are most likely required to submit the proper tax forms to your state?

    Lets see how honest you are. How many internet purchases out of state have you filled out the required use tax form, sent it to the state you live in, and paid the required taxes?
     
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  3. Cybercowboy

    Cybercowboy Support the 2nd

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    Cause and effect. You can't separate the cause from the effect.
     
  4. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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  5. JRSP

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    MidwayUSA, Natchez and Palmetto State Armory are a few retailers that seem to try and keep the cost down however they never have ammo on their site. Today I just bought American Eagle 22LR 400 round pack for .06 cents per round from PSA using the web app I've created, it alerted me... I clicked listing, signed in, checked out... done. WINNING.

    Demand far exceeds the supply, we all know that with the current ammo panic. Everyone and their brother are trying to stock up and have a nice stock pile. The problem is with the demand exceeding supply is, these sites sell out so fast. The 22lr I just purchased today sold out in less than 1 hour. They had a 1 box per customer limit. I've seen ammo at normal cost / retail value sell out in less than 5 minutes. Now come to mind that these websites get hammered with traffic due to demand. They all have solid load balancers and multiple servers across the country. If thousands of visitors hit the website, they are going to have to pay more for bandwidth, add more servers, hire more employees, and work overtime to package and ship everything out due to these spikes so yes, demand does screw them as well. It seems that people don't understand the cost to do business and that is probably why you are seeing a lot of retailers gouging. They are already hammered and it's hard enough for them to obtain ammo from the manufacturers so the simple decision would be to up the cost. Not only ammo is being affected... Try finding a brand new Glock 19 Gen 4...

    Now if it were a perfect world, people would have been smart and bought double on what they decide to go shoot at the range. They would have already stocked up and been prepared. Everyone knew what was coming when Barack Hussein got elected his 2nd term... So... don't be pissed off about the cost and the ammo shortage. If you voted for BHO, blame yourself, you KNEW it was coming.

    You should have:
    A. Already have stocked up pre panic. Don't buy ****ty 50 round packs of WWB at a time, you should have bought bulk. Save up and you get more ammo for less. Not a hard concept here.
    B. Buy smarter. Do NOT be willing to pay the current market value. Another not so hard concept here.

    Now. I have to mention, I've worked hard on writing a system to deliver near realtime availability on ammo. ArmsBot.com... Take a look at the listings. Browse the out of stock listings. Realize, you were too late in getting the good deal because you didn't use the system.

    So the moral of the story, buy smarter people! No way will I be waking up at 5am to wait in line in hopes to get ammo from wally world... No way will I be paying over 2x the cost!
     
  6. RightGlock1

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    Meh, if only gripers had been buying an extra box or two each trip to Wally world or elsewhere, there would not be much griping going on. It' s amazing how many boxes you can accumulate over time.
    Those that are buying and reselling, that's their choice. In this down economy, do what you must.
    So, if I bought .22's 5 years ago at $12 a brick, and someone wants to pay me $ 70 a brick, I'm a hoarder/gouger? Nah, just a guy who had much needed ammo for sale. I wanted lowers, got 4 for 10 bricks and $100. So 4 lowers for $ 220. No socialistic spread the ammo bones in this body. I'm selling to offset the cost of items I need or should have had before the panic. Why sell for peanuts and have to buy for caviar prices? We all will do what we need to do. This isn't the first panic. It could/won't be the last. If it isn't taxed to oblivion we won' t be making the same mistake again. Get up early like the resellers and you'll get some ammo too. Flame suit on......
     
  7. *ASH*

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    seriously 17 pages ??? of this drivel .
     
  8. certifiedfunds

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    Yeah these folks are suffering from totally preventable butthurt.

    I'm swimming in 9mm and 45. I have more .22 than I can shoot in two lifetimes. Im still buying just to keep padding my stock. If you folks are struggling to find ammo, and since its now considered a staple, I'd be willing to sell some.

    Let me know



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  9. JRSP

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    Kinda goes along with:

    "I'd rather have it and not need it than to need it and not have it."

    Figured gun owners would already know this concept...
     
  10. Atlas

    Atlas transmogrifier

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    Well *ASH*, if the thread doesn't interest you...
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  11. racerford

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    I am not worried about scalping or tax evasion. I have been pointing out how what you guys say is a capitalistic free market is not. I am not buying in this situation. I have enough supply to last me through this situation and the funds available to buy at these prices, if I had an actual need. I am fortunate in that way.

    The tax comment is an example of how these scalpers are not functioning under the same rules, burdens and restrictions at the legitimate retailers (except Cheaper Than Dirt and it will hurt them in the mid-term and maybe long term, they are local so I hear even more than you guys do).

    Still waiting on your responses on insider trading, monopolies, etc...

    I don't remit sales tax when they tell me it is included in the price or they collect it from me. I am not responsible if they do not remit.

    I don't do 1099's as the transactions don't meet the requirements.


    I do my best to support local stores. I pay a premium to support them. When I do get something on-line that is not available locally, mostly they collect sales tax. There have been a few occasions where they may not have. If that had occured I may not have remited "use" tax to the state. If that had occurred I would be waiting for the state to consolidate what I owe them and send me notification. They don't pay me to do their work. Nor would I self remit fines for if I exceeded the speed limits when I have not been cited.
     
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  12. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    OK


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    http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/use/

    "All Texans are responsible for paying use tax when they buy taxable goods and services for use in Texas and the seller does not charge Texas sales tax, or does not charge the correct amount of Texas sales tax. Use tax is reported and paid directly to the Texas Comptroller's office."

    So you openly flaunt that you evade taxes and say that you are not responsible for them even though your state law says otherwise?

    So your argument is that these people are not paying paying taxes so it must be bad when you yourself intentionally dont pay taxes and say they dont apply to you yet someone else is supposed to pay taxes? Good argument.
     
  13. GT86

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    Kind of like supply and demand?

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  14. GT86

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    This is a good point which bears repeating. When market value increases, it motivates people to sell which helps the supply.

    High prices have two effects, one is that demand is reduced. The other effect as illustrated here is that supply is increased. So again, the retailers selling below market price are simply helping to prolong the shortage. And that is most likely intentional to some degree.


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  15. Snaps

    Snaps Hail 2 The King

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    i've been an ammo hoarder for a number of years. If I drop under a few thousand rounds of every cal I need to shop
     
  16. Bradd D

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    I guess my only gripe is that people are hoarding ammo instead of shooting it. I don't hoard ammo because I prefer to shoot it, but I can't find any to shoot because the guys that shoot 100 rounds a year are stacking it up in their basement. It's not a good time to be a shooting enthusiast.
     
  17. GT86

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    I'm thinking of getting back into archery, in large part because of ammo availability. That, and watching the Walking Dead has me really wanting a crossbow :)


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  18. Bradd D

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    Unfortunately, a bow is less then ideal for concealed carry and that's one of the reasons I own guns.
     
  19. gunowner1

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    Agreed
     
  20. airmotive

    airmotive Tin Kicker

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    This.

    Wifey and I were looking at getting into AKs. You know...trying something new and enjoying a new platform for our shooting hobby. But there's too many ammo "Gollums" sitting in their basements with ammo they have no intention of ever shooting..."My precious"....
    No sense in buying rifles we can't get ammo for.
    So... screw AKs.
    Screw shooting for fun.
    Screw shooting as a hobby.
    Screw getting into new calibers or platforms.
    Screw getting others into shooting...there's no ammo.
    My co-worker asked me what would make a good first gun...I told him to get a BB gun or take up archery. Firearms are a waste of time if you can't get ammo to become proficient and stay proficient.

    Back to your basements and stroke your ammo cans, Gollums.
    You got what you want. Your 'precious'.

    It wouldn't be so aggravating if people were shooting and getting others into shooting. But this "shortage" shows just how panicky gun people are...and shows just how accurate the Brady campaign's image of gun owners really is.