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Grand Canyon, seriously?

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by GreenDrake, Jun 15, 2012.


  1. GreenDrake

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    What is it that religions instill in people that makes them believe that with all the sedimentary layers, uplift, fossil data, erosion and physical proof that the Grand Canyon was formed over millions of years....they doubt that it happened?

    I was helping my neighbor moving some rocks yesterday and a chunk of granite broke off, I inspected it and mentioned the beautiful swirls of layers along with the mica schist embedded in it. He immediately stated that it's like the Grand Canyon where people thing that it was formed over millions of years when it was formed in one great rush of water from the flood...really?

    I guess I just don't get how a person can have such a belief that flies in the face of every aspect of the physical and geological sciences to refute such a wonder of time and erosion.
     

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  2. Syclone538

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    I've seriously read the argument that god made it because water wouldn't flow uphill otherwise.
     

  3. Woofie

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    There's no changing a person who wants to remain ignorant.
     
  4. FCoulter

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    Its because most so called christians dont know how to read Gen.

    Gen. Clearly along with other scripture tells us the earth can be millions of yrs old.


    When God created adam is not the time period the earth was orginally created.


    Gen. Tells us the earth was void and without form. The hebrew words here means the earth was chaotic.


    Does nyone think God created the earth chaotic?


    The Bible s clearly how the earth became chaotic long before adam.
     
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  5. Gunhaver

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    They sit and soak up misinformation from people that take a few little facts and twist them around to support that silly idea while calling the folks that know several orders of magnitude more about the subject stupid. Happens with geology, paleontology, evolution, biology, radiometric dating, and any other science that counters the myths they'd rather believe.
     
  6. Blast

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    'nuff said

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    I believe in the Judeo-Christian God.

    I believe the "Big Bang" (actually inflation) theory is a good logical theory though it is based on circumstantial evidence. The universe is expanding so it is logical to assume it originated at a central point, there is a backround "hum" everywhere thought to be the echo of the inflation. However it is possible that "hum" might actually be dark energy which is accelerating the expansion.
    Incidently, there is not enough matter in the visible universe to account for why the universe doesn't fly apart. So there must be a source for the extra gravity that holds the universe together. Scientists have dubbed this "dark matter". Again, logical theory even though no dark matter has been directly observed and identified. Although, some distant galaxies appear distorted due to gravitational lensing which no visible object can account for the phenomenon. This may be caused by swaths of dark matter scattered about.
    I also believe the universe is 13.7 billion years old(current estimate. In the early 70's, the universe was thought to be 8 billion years old because the most distant object, a galaxy 8 billion light years away was detected. I even remember an article in the newspaper about it. Wasn't even a quasar.
    Oh, and a quasar is the super intense energy regurgitating from a supermassive black hole feeding on stars and gas at the center of young galaxy.
    I believe the universe is older than current estimate. As technology advances, we will see further and therefore the universe "ages" more.
    The estimated size of the universe is about 156 billion light years across, but we can see only out to 13.7 billion light years currently giving an overall size of about 27.4 billion lights years across.
    Hell, prior to 1924, scientists thought the entire universe was the Milky Way galaxy until Edwin Hubble with a new telescope determined what was thought to be nebulae turned out to be galaxies. Imagine that.
    The earth is 4.5 billion years old. I am well familiar with geology. Plate tectonics shape the surface of the planet.
    Volcanos, earthquakes, folding, faulting, etc.
    I can go on and on in many scientific fields.

    I also am deeply into psychology and philosophy, and I'm seeing more frustration, anxiety, and false superiority complexes from some of the atheists in here.

    Personally, I do not know any Christians or Jews who are "Young Earthers".
     
  7. ranger1968

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    Tell him that he has no idea what he's talking about, since granite is an igneous rock, formed through fire as lava, and the shale/ sandstone etc of the Grand Canyon is sedimentary rock, formed through time and layering of deposited materials....

    Just sayin'........
     
  8. Kingarthurhk

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    Isaiah 53:4-9

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    By that argument, you wouldn't need to keep the Sabbath. It would happen every eon or so.
     
  9. Batesmotel

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    Who am I to force my poor, mortal understanding of time on God? I believe the creative "days" spoken of in the bible are figuratively "creative periods". They could have taken billions of years.

    To me it is a non issue to my faith. The actual age of the earth has nothing to do with living by the principals taught in the scriptures. I doubt geography will be on the test at the pearly gate.:supergrin:

    God is not a God of confusion. He wants us to tease out the mysteries of the universe. He wouldn't create the world in six, 24 hour, earthly days and make it look old to confuse us. The earth looks old because it is old.

    If it is an issue with my salvation, when I meet God, if I am worthy, I will ask him.
     
  10. English

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    double post
     
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    It weems obvious enough. If God drew the map of North America and then absent mindedly put high ground in the way of a big river, the sensible thing to do was excavate a route for it and charge it to unforseen exigencies. Construction companies do it all the time. He probably had a get out clause in His contract.

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    PS This probably explains all those geological strata. He had to get the stuff from somewhere to build up all that depth. To start off it was easy with nice clean stuff but then he got an infection of life and in no time at all, on a Godly scale, he had shell fish and other things messing up the purity of his geological creation. After a while of trying to sanitise it he probably gave it up as a bad job and moved on to something else.
     
  12. FCoulter

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    Sometimes I wonder why you respond, I guess you just like to make people laugh.
     
  13. Woofie

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  14. Syclone538

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    I don't know if I know any in person, but I've argued with some on a state based liberty forum. The argument pretty much completely killed the forum. I and all the other atheists should have just avoided the topic completely there. Now the whole forum gets about 1 post a month.
     
  15. GreenDrake

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    We have a majority here. Many folks in my neighborhood are fundie level christian, some so much that their kids can't even play Skylanders on the Wii with my son because it invokes "magic". The wife and I get a good laugh quite often. One even asks me how crazy people have to be to believe in evolution.
     
  16. eracer

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    I'm not familiar with this estimate.

    I was always of the impression that cosmologists showed that galaxies (and thus space-time) at the edge of the observable universe (currently estimated at 13.7b light-years) are traveling away from us at the speed of light, and no information can be observed past that finite 'edge.'

    So where does information from 'beyond the edge' come from?
     
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  17. Woofie

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    According to NASA, no one knows how big the universe is.

    http://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/5-8/features/F_How_Big_is_Our_Universe.html
     
  18. packsaddle

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    mount st. helens rearranged an entire landscape in less than 6 years.

    some large canyons (one about 17 miles long) were formed in less than one day.

    only an allegiance to Pope Darwin is one forced to believe canyons take millions of years to form.

    without King Charlie, there would be no need for the whole "long ages" myth.

    but, as always, damaging evidence will continue to be spun/ignored by the atheists/materialists/liberals/puppets, and opposing views will continue to be ridiculed/misrepresented by those who are afraid to follow the evidence, wherever it may lead.

    and the beat goes on.....
     
  19. Animal Mother

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    The only beat going on is creationists clinging to discredited nonsense as if it actually supported their erroneous version of events. The disturbing part is that they continue to do so even after their errors are pointed out, as in the case of comparing Mt. St. Helens and the Grand Canyon.
     
  20. Kingarthurhk

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    If you believe God is so anemic that it took him eons for each stage of creation, then the Sabbath you keep is meaningless.