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Governor Brown does it again!

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by Trigger Finger, Oct 10, 2011.


  1. Trigger Finger

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    Governor Brown of Ca just signed a bill making it illegal to carry an unloaded handgun in public if it's not on your property. (the way I understand it). He said it uses up valuable police personnel checking everyone carrying a handgun in public thats reported.

    Goes into effect 1/1/12. People are saying that they will just carry an unloaded rifle or shotgun in public, this bill only covers handguns!

    Another step toward infringement of our rights. :steamed:

    Of course this does not change anything if you are an off duty or retired officer!
     

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  2. Morris

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    I see the Moonbeam is on a tangent. No to 12 y/os tanning, yes to 12 y/os getting the HPV vaccination without parents being aware.
     

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    He vetoed the handgun ammo licensing bill, but only because they're still litigating the old bill that was ruled unconstitutional by a state court. He passed the long-gun registration bill, which, in my opinion, is way worse than the open carry bill. If a certain tangent of people weren't so confrontational with a loosing public relations political view we'd probably still have open carry. That one's our own fault.

    I hear the LG registration law doesn't go into effect until 2014 but I gotta check, because I want to get several before then.
     
  4. Trigger Finger

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    "If a certain tangent of people weren't so confrontational with a loosing public relations political view we'd probably still have open carry. That one's our own fault."

    There are some that would say that how is exorcising your rights being confrontational? I don't think it's our own fault. I think it's the liberal's fault for not liking what they see, regardless if it's legal or if they understand it!!
    So I guess we should walk on eggshells about certain basic rights.

    But what do I know?
     
  5. Agent6-3/8

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    I've been calling this one for a longtime. The OC jackasses walking around with video cameras scaring the sheep and picking fights with LE aren't winnign their cause or the 2nd Amendment any support.
     
  6. msu_grad_121

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    "Rebound effect" anyone?

    If they couldn't see that acting out that way would have grave effects, I hate to say it, they deserve what they get. Protest and exercise your right all you like, but that's not what the most vocal of the movement were doing.
     
  7. Hack

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    For those in California, you want to get a real governor, or are there just so many entitlement minded people that it will never happen?

    I am in Kansas, and live right across from Missouri. I have no problem with open carry, (in fact in Missouri was an open carry state), but do not do it here in the city, (except in an on duty status), for the reasons listed:

    Announcing one's self to the thugs makes you a target.

    People in areas of the country that are not as pro gun carry have been affected by the anti gun hype. Carrying openly in urban environments just scares the people, (at least it does here).

    Because it scares the people the one open carrying is going to subject him/her self to man with a gun calls, affecting the overall coverage of law enforcement in busier urban areas where they have plenty of crime to try to counter act as it is. So, why open carry in that environment? It doesn't really make logical sense.

    If one open carries without a badge, there are people in urban areas who are used to the idea that people who are open carrying are law enforcement. So, not only does a person who open carries around here subjects themselves to scrutiny and man with a gun calls, they also subject themselves to, "You're a cop. Take care of this", calls. Then when they find out that the open carrier is not a cop, 911 dispatch gets bothered by those man with a gun calls.

    For those people who are not qualified law enforcement, apply for the concealed carry license where available. Carry concealed, and no one is the wiser. Fear is kept in check, and thugs will not know that you can defend yourself with a firearm.

    When you are in the country, go for it. Open carry to your heart's content.
     
  8. Dragoon44

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    The OC activist were not simply going about their business "exercising their rights". They sought confrontation and attention and they got it.

    The leader of the main group pushing OC activism is on record telling the press that if people don't like it they could change the law. Ca. took him up on his offer.

    There is an old saying, You can catch more flys with honey than you can vinegar, the extremest OC activist crowd are committed to the Vinegar method.
     
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  9. CAcop

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    At least he vetoed the "no search of any electronic device during a search incident to arrest" law. The courts are still working on it but as of now we can check phone logs, texts, and photos on the phone itself. Email or facebook where we have to go to a server still requires a warrant.

    Also the OCers have no one to blame but themselves. It is one thing to exercise your rights quietly. It's another to video it and post it on online attempting to play "gotcha" with the police. Just like how long ago you could carry a loaded gun in public. Until the Black Panthers showed up at the state capitol with loaded rifles.
     
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    Being that California courts are required, by law, to follow federal rules of evidence, their hands are tied when it comes to ruling on cell phone searches.
     
  11. Morris

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    Absolutely.
     
  12. Trigger Finger

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    I never thought about it much but Dragoon44 brings up a valid point that I have not considered. I am forced to agree with Dragoon44, as I do with most of what he says.
     
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    I think you really nailed it there. The Vinegar method explains a whole lot. After watching so many OC home movies of LEO encounters, I've thought most of the time those guys are acting like real deutchbags.

    I was close, they're actually instant deutchbags. Just add water.. :whistling:

    Randy
     
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    Dude I'm part German could you use something a little better like maybe dootch? :supergrin:
     
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    Agreed 100%, they have been asking for this with their actions.
     
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    I realize this is a typo but you hit the nail on the head... they are "exorcising" their rights...
     
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    We are rapidly approaching three point where CA is just going to become an occupied territory where the free people are slaves to the liberal elite and the entitlement class. Sad. This is a great state that got ruined.