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Got Pulled Over Today ... While CCW

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by BrewerGeorge, Dec 3, 2011.


  1. BrewerGeorge

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    So I was late for boxing class this morning and my speed got away from me. (I honestly try to never go more than 5 mph over.) I noticed I was going faster than I intended and started slowing, then about 5 seconds later saw the officer and knew immediately he was going to pull me over.

    So I pull over safely and do everything you are supposed to do as he walked up - window down, radio off, both hands on the wheel, etc. The first thing I said to him after he asked for license and registration was that I was a CCW holder and that I was armed. He was cool, asked where it was and whether it would be accessible while I got my stuff (no), and that was it. He took my stuff including my permit and walked back to his car to run my info. He came back with his hand on his weapon (Glock of course), and stood a bit behind my window and leaned down, but they may be trained to do that every time anyway. He ended up giving me a warning for 16 mph over because I truly do almost never speed and don't have any points on my record. Thanks. Have a nice day and drive safe and we were done. It was a completely friendly, respectful, normal traffic stop.

    I know some of you are going to say that I had no obligation to tell him - "Concealed means concealed" - but I think that my forthrightness may have had something to do with me just getting the warning by setting a general positive attitude. That, and I was once made to get out of my car and lie down on the pavement in Norfolk, VA - when I wasn't even carrying - because the officer saw that I held a CCW permit while running my record. He used the loudspeaker from his car to direct me to get out. He was pissed that I hadn't told him and gave me a couple of BS citations like "improper lane change" in addition to the speeding ticket. Again, I wasn't armed that day because I was returning home from the Navy base. Ever since then I've told myself that I would always inform an officer that I was carrying. Today was my first opportunity to put that plan in action, and it seems to have worked out well enough.
     

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  2. Lampshade

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    Well, all I can say is I think you learned the wrong lesson from that encounter!
     

  3. pnutcar

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    I got a HUGE ticket for speeding a few weeks ago. I have my ccw and had my P3at sitting in the door pocket. The officer came up and greeted me; the first thing I did was tell him that "I have my legally possessed ccw in my door, how would you like to proceed?" He was very cool about it, didn't care or freak out, just asked me to step out of the car. I always tell them because I try to get out of tickets. It didn't work :(

    This is glock talk though, so I'll probably get flamed because I informed the LEO that I was carrying, drive a non-American BMW and don't have a Glock anymore lol.
     
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    Wow I guess he schooled you well. Did that make you respect law enforcement more or respect law enforcement less?

    I would say that officer was out of line, if VA is a "inform NO" state..........and you were not even carrying. A CCW permit on his computer screen should not justify such treatment.
     
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  5. BrewerGeorge

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    How do you mean? Obviously I meant during a traffic stop; it's not like I'm walking up to cops on the street and telling them I'm armed.:tongueout: But I'm not sure how I could have taken anything else away from that Virginia stop. He put me on the pavement just for having a CCW permit even when I didn't have a gun. I can't imagine what he would have done had I been carrying (although I probably would have told him, even before this incident, if I had been). Once they have your license, their computer is GOING to tell them that you hold a permit. The only thing you can control is how they find out - from you in a matter that makes them as comfortable as possible, or from the computer where they can think you're trying hide something from them.
     
  6. BrewerGeorge

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    Less, of course, but I was more upset at the time about the bogus stuff he tacked onto the ticket because I was just a poor enlisted guy.

    It never even occurred to me at the time whether I had to inform him or not because I WASN'T ARMED!
     
  7. Lampshade

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    Exactly, he proned you out just because he knew you had a CCW. Hence, the less they know, the better.



    That depends entirely on where you are.
     
  8. NMGlocker

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    9 times out of 10 it'll work out just like it did for you on this stop.
    A professional response and "officers discretion" in your favor.
    But that 1 time out of 10...
    I hope you like getting proned out on the street at gunpoint while a crazy person with a badge is screaming at you. Then being handcuffed in the back of a squad car for an hour while said crazy person with a badge tries to stick you with any felony he can possibly come up with. Don't forget the lecture crazy man will give you about "shooting you and sleeping like a baby afterwards".
     
  9. The Machinist

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    I've only been pulled over once since I started carrying concealed, and made no mention of it. If I get pulled over in the future, I won't bring up then, either.
     
  10. wuvmyglock

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    In my state you legally must inform the officer if you are in possession of your firearm.. I have been stopped a couple times and all the officers have been very cool. Hands on the wheel.. Tell them you are carrying and where it is located.. Slow movements when going for the wallet.. I usually carry it in the left front pocket with my Glock on my right hip.. Not informing an officer you are packing heat just don't make much sense.. Just might end up with a Glock in your ear..
     
  11. Lampshade

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    As long as you aren't in a duty to inform state, and your weapon is out of sight, it makes complete sense.


    For people who aren't in a duty to inform state, I believe informing increases the odds of this happening dramatically.
     
  12. snubfan

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    I don't understand the mindset of informing if you don't have to. Why would you even create the possibility of a bad situation?
     
  13. BrewerGeorge

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    I think the part you guys are missing is that (in my state at least) the CCW is going to be revealed to the officers when they run your information. So there is NO hiding it once they have your license in hand.
     
  14. The Machinist

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    Then let them figure it out. You can be courteous and respectful, but you don't need to jump through hoops, or explain your actions like you just got caught doing something wrong. :supergrin:
     
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    I was pulled over once for speeding. Back in that day, it was required by law to hand your CHL license to the cop as well as your DL. When he saw I had a CHL, he asked where it was, in the glove box. He had me get out of the car, stand in front of my car and place both hands on the hood of my car (hot!). This SOB was an absolute jerk! I moved my hands off the hood and he started with a huge attitude. Made me wonder why I ever obey the laws to begin with.... I thought I was one of the good guys?!
     
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    When you inform the officer at least he knows you have a firearm on your person... If the officer happens to "see" it on his own... I think the situation would be worse..
     
  17. Paul53

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    25 years as an ER nurse, lots of exposure to LEO's. If I were a LEO, I swear I'd shoot a lot of people rather than put up with the crap they do. Almost daily they'd bring someone in intending to cut them loose, and the patient would mouth off talking his way IN to jail.
    They're just doing a job. Be up front and honest with them, make their job easier, and you're much better off. Be a jerk and guess how they'll treat you. In TX your CCL and drivers license numbers are the same, so we're told to just hand over both.
     
  18. gunowner1

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    I thought I would ask what the laws about "informing" are in Florida while I'm here.I've never been stopped while carrying down here.
     
  19. b52ace

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    No requirement to inform in FL.
     
  20. Jade Falcon

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    I got pulled over about a year ago for going 39 in a 25, as well as "cutting people off", according to the officer. He wasn't very pleased with me as he walked up to the side of my car, but I knew that I had been completely in the wrong, so when asked what/why I was speeding, I offered no excuses. When he asked for my info, however, I told him that I was licensed to carry a concealed weapon in the state of Washington, and he said that was fine, but didn't take my ccw card.

    He walked back to his car, ran my name, walked back, gave me my stuff, and said "don't make me regret giving you a warning.". I thanked him, and carefully drove home, not believing my good luck.

    I'm convinced that because I didn't make excuses, and that I informed him of my permit, that those two things kept me from getting a ticket. I think I'll keep that formula up.