The story so far: Of course I do. ASU is good. UofA is bad. But those are value judgements, not objective evaluations. This is my point, you can't say that atheists are making that kind of value judgement, because they aren't. They're making a truth proposition. If an atheist advances the position that believing in a god is a bad thing, that would be a value judgement and many atheists certainly do exactly that but taking such a position is not required to be an atheist. I never claimed that I didn't have values, did I? But even, as you say, we all have concepts of "good" and "bad" those concepts are not consistent between or even within cultural groups and also change over time within any identifiable population, so how can you set them up as objective truths? Wanna kill these ads? We can help!