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God or no God

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by FCoulter, Jul 7, 2012.

  1. Animal Mother

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    Which of these "clues from science" do you propose as the strongest evidence for God?
     


  2. FCoulter

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    DId you read the booklet? After you have we can discuss it.
     
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  3. You posed the question of whether or not there exists a god, but then you only link to a source that claims that there is a god and you won't accept debate from anyone that hasn't read your link.

    This is going to be a fair and objective thread...
     
  4. Cavalry Doc

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    :dunno:

    Currently, there is no convincing answer one way or the other. Choose if you need to, and try to be comfortable enough with that choice to accept that other people make different choices. Seems reasonable to me.
     
  5. JBnTX

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    There is a God!
    There's no evidence by design and for a purpose.
     
  6. Animal Mother

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    yes, I did.
     
  7. JGlockman

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    No God.

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  8. NMG26

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    Be the Archetype. That way it does not matter if there is a God or not.
     
  9. cowboywannabe

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    i dont see evidence of God, but science still leaves a lot unexplained.....my jury is still out.
     
  10. JGlockman

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    I've been to the natural history museum. I have seen dinosaur bones. I have yet to see a god bone. Or even a jesus bone.

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  11. Bren

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    I saw one clearly true statement in the booklet:
    Unfortunately, they go on from there to argue that the scientific reason for believing in god is that science can't explain some things, therefore god did it. Basically a lot of words to present the weakest, most flawed argument in favor of god that could be made.

    To their credit, they did follow it up with "even if science is right, that may not disprove god" just to cover all bets. :rofl:

    They may have mixed in the old "the universe is perfectly tuned for our existence" as proof of god (intelligent design type argument). The defect in that one is, "the universe is designed for what we are" is the flip side of "we are what we are because of the conditions in the universe" which, fortunately, requires no supernatural source and, therefore, is the correct answer (google: Occam's Razor).

    For extra humor, they bring up the old "Law of Biogenesis" as though it is a science conflict, rather than a fictional conflict based on "science" from 150 years ago, dealing with whether living things, now, could suddenly spring to life fully formed from nonliving elements. It appears to only be mentioned these days by religious literalists.

    In short, that booklet doesn't even rank among the better obviously false religious arguments against science.
     
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  12. FCoulter

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    So do you think that if you believe in dinosaurs you cant believe in God?
     
  13. Bren

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    If there is no evidence of god, then the jury is not out.

    Since you use a legal analogy - if there is no evidence, you have failed to state a claim and your action is frivolous, therefore there is nothing for a jury to decide.

    In this argument, "no evidence of god" (which I agree with) means god is just as likely to exist as fairies, flying spaghetti monsters, and the fire-breathing dragon in my basement. Which is to say, for all practical purposes, he does not exist, just like those other things.
     
  14. cowboywannabe

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    somebody is dead from a non self inflicted gunshot wound....some argue that Joe did it, some argue that Joe wasnt even in the state when it happened. no proof (yet) one way or the other for either argument. waiting on the proof does not mean there isnt any.
     
  15. Cavalry Doc

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    Also important to differentiate between proof and truth. Truth is what it is. Proof is what you can convince 12 other people is the truth.
     
  16. cowboywannabe

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    two shea dear doctor.
     
  17. Cavalry Doc

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    Just "doc" . Retired Army PA
     
  18. High-Gear

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    You would have to have some proof Joe did it to get past an arraignment, and to a jury before the jury could be "out". You don't even have enough of a case for god to garner a warrant let alone make it any further with your analogy.