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Go All-In 5.45?

Discussion in 'The Kalashnikov Klub' started by Restless28, Apr 3, 2012.

  1. I have a SGL31-62 on layaway, and a SGL21-63. I have already sold my 7.62 ammo and mags to find 5.45 mags and ammo.

    I am debating if I should drop the 21 and go all-in with the 31, maybe even buying 1 or 2 more this year. I have never shot the 5.45, so I don't know what to expect, but my teen son wants me to buy one for him to have someday.

    WWYD?
     
  2. CnRnut

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    I'd keep the 31.
    This is from a guy that has a number of 5.45's.
     


  3. CnRnut

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    Love them,or I wouldn't have so many.
    That said I have AK style guns in 8 different calibers,and the
    5.45 in the most cost friendly centerfire round your going to find. I run milsulp ammo,but I wash her down after every
    outing,as she must be ready for "next time".:supergrin:
     
  4. the monk

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  5. post-apocalyptic

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    I'd love to get me a SGL31, and surplus 5.45 sure is cheap, (while it lasts).

    That said, I prefer 7.62x39, (more effective against both tissue and esp cover), and would never get rid of all my rifles that fire it.

    So if I were you, I'd keep the '21.
     
  6. the monk

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    Move up in the world and get a 308
     
  7. post-apocalyptic

    post-apocalyptic magnifi ba$tard

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    Oh, I've a 22"-barrelled Saiga .308 as well. ;)
     
  8. the monk

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    So let me ask you - anytime you feel like you were in a sitiuation where you would pick up the 7.62x39 why wouldn't you just pick up the 308?

    I'm actually noodling this problem as we speak.
     
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  9. PlasticGuy

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    I have owned AK's for the last 15 years. I have had a couple dozen of them, and shoot them constantly. I swore I would only ever have a 7.62x39mm. Then I got a 5.56 in trade, and loved the way it shot. I decided to give the 5.45 a try.

    Now I only own 5.45 AK's. They are typical AK reliable, the mags work in my AR15 mag pouches, recoil is nearly zero, ammo cost is very reasonable, terminal performance and barrier penetration is at least as good as the 5.56, and I shoot just as fast and accurately with my Krebs AK74k as I do with my issued M4 on tactical quals. It won't hit hard at long range, but neither do the 5.56 or the 7.62x39 cartridges. It is as good at 0-300 meter fighting as anything else ever made, and better than most. I have my SCAR 17 for hitting harder and reaching farther, but that is very rarely necessary for anything I do.
     
  10. post-apocalyptic

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    In an urban environment, I'd favor the x39. Also, if I had to hump all my own gear myself for days on end, I'd go with the x39 as it retains a lot of the .308's effectiveness out to a few hundred yards while weighing much less.

    In any field position with good visibility, it'd be .308 all the way.

    They're different tools for different tasks, but if I'm asked which rifle I'd grab on my way out the door to greet the apocalypse, my answer is always the 7.62x39. ymmv.
     
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  11. adamg01

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    I agree with this. I would never shoot further than 200yds in any situation I might find myself in. The x39 has more energy and better penetration behind it. Civilians aren't limited to just FMJ ammo and the right ammo can make the x39 a much more lethal choice. If they were both full auto I might choose the 5.45. I would probably feel comfortable with either caliber but I feel the x39 fits my needs better.
     
  12. the monk

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    I have done a tone of research and from what I have seen and read the 5.45 is a hell of a round and is excellent at penetration. I'm not saying its at the same level as the 7.62x39 but I think its close and far better than the 223.
     
  13. post-apocalyptic

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    The 5.45x39 was developed in response to the 5.56x45. M Kalashnikov has never been much of a fan.

    It is a flat-shooting, light round that's proven plenty lethal against 2-legged threats, and imo a better choice than 5.56, though.
     
  14. PlasticGuy

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    I had 21,600 rounds of 7n6 5.45 delivered today. It came out to $132 per 1,000 delivered from SG Ammo. That's $2900 for enough ammo to practice hard for a few years. Sold on the 5.45 concept yet?
     
  15. CTfam

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    AMEN Brother. That's how I feel. Plus I can't own an AK in 7.62 so that helps with my choice as well. :embarassed:

    As far as that purchase goes... Are you an FFL or a civilian who got that delivered to your residence? What did the post man say? :rofl:

    I have two crates on the way and I always get a comment from the guy like "ohh not too heavy today". :supergrin:
     
  16. PlasticGuy

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    I'm just a regular guy, and had it delivered to my home. I went into the last election year with ammo stacked pretty deep, and was able to keep shooting after a lot of guys had run out of practice ammo. Now I'm set for the next four years.

    The UPS gal had a pretty good sense of humor about it. She knows I'm in nuclear security and that shooting a lot is part of the job. She also said that a few preppers up the hill keep her a lot busier than I do. :supergrin:
     
  17. CTfam

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    Just put 600 rounds through my new Arsenal 74 and I am loving the 5.45!!! Just ordered two more crates of 7n6.
     

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