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Glock Loosing ground to S&W

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by Bob Hafler, May 7, 2013.

  1. Since they came on the scene..their Motto should be Glock always reactive never proactive....Ive been waiting for a Glock with decent grips for ages lol...
  2. mrt949


    Sep 26, 2009
    Owned 2 glock's over the years . g 17 & g21. Now I have a mp40 c.

  3. Glock 23 Nutter

    Glock 23 Nutter

    Jul 28, 2010
    Because it's not.

    To Glock, it's a niche market already filled w/ several hungry competitors.

    When you supply whole Armies/Branches/Agencies...

    ...everything else is just sweepings.

  4. WayneJessie


    Jan 12, 2013
    Dude, you obviously don't own a Steyr. The build quality of my S9A1 makes a Glock blush with embarrassment. The ergonomics are as close to perfect as I have seen too. Steyr's marketing is weak but the gun is awesome. If you think they are "inferior" to Glock just because they don't sell as many guns your logic is seriously flawed. Mr. Bubits could have taken Glock to the next level and kept the competitors at bay but it was not to be. I love my Steyr and when Caracal UAE gets the manufacturing kinks worked out I will own a Caracal C as well.
  5. nightstalker865


    Jan 20, 2013
    I just wish S&W would do the same Mil/LE pricing as glock. It's great be able to pick up any glock in the line up on the blue label program. I have only seen the M&P full size and compacts on the Mil pricing list through S&W. I would be very interested in picking up a shield and pro series, but can't justify the crazy high prices when blue label glocks are reasonable and easy to find.
  6. IMO Glock's biggest accomplishment (as far as production goes) is their QC. They got that thing down and make their name for it. Steyr and Caracal will have hard time meeting that. I do have a Steyr M40A1 and if you have one, you can tell someone had "improve my Glock" in mind when designing that pistol.

    As to OP, I like M&P alright. But it's trigger sucks, even more so than Glock. Feel great in my hand though.
  7. The Glocks I used to own were sold and replaced with M&Ps. I much prefer it over a Glock. The stock trigger out of the box does suck but smooths out with use. Even with a crappy new gun trigger I had no problems being accurate with them.

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  8. Bruce M

    Bruce M

    Jan 3, 2010
    S FL
    I doubt Glock is especially worried, especially considering their backorder status. Likewise S&W seems to have some models that need a waiting period.

    I understand what you are saying, but consider that some of the stuff for a sale of 2600 pistols really isn't different than the sale of one or ten. "Hi I want to order a M&P. We have an account and I have a purchase order here." "Hi I want to order 2600 M&PS under our account. Here is the purchase order." Likewise handling a few guns with problems might be a touch easier when the customer bought a couple hundred extra. "Yes I have heard of a couple with that issue. When you get half a dozen, let me know and I will send you a label. Ship 'em to us and we will fix or replace them." That guy just handled the customer service for fixing six guns in less time than it takes another guy to handle one with an irate customer. (I realize I am simplifying some of this, but I am guessing you get the idea.) My guess is that even with guns personnel costs are at least as much as the materials for the guns themselves.

    S&W had a fairly aggressive program for more than a few of their guns not that long ago. If I remember the law enforcement price for the Shield is very competetive compared to the $ 398 Glock 26.
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  9. Beretta92guy


    Nov 15, 2011
    agreed....and when glock decides to fix their damn extractors and the BTF issue, ill buy one of those too:upeyes:
  10. RHVEtte


    Nov 20, 2007
    A little of Column A and a little of Column B, I'd reckon. If they're moving that volume of product and not making a profit on it, they're idiots. That said, they probably run LE sales on reduced margin to 1, get the sale, and 2, get the market share for advertising. E.G., if they sell civilian GLOCKs as 25% margin, they might move LE GLOCKs at 10-15% margin.
  11. eb07

    eb07 Sharkin'

    Feb 19, 2010
    Third Rock From the Sun
    Unless you own stock in the company. Who cares? Buy what you like. Shoot it. Enjoy it.
  12. bac1023


    Sep 26, 2004
    The Steyr line is outstanding, in my opinion.
  13. Nakanokalronin

    Nakanokalronin JMB & MTK

    May 13, 2008
    I sold my first FS 9mm M&P last year due to horrible accuracy (8-10" groups at 15 yards) even after 2 trips back to S&W with one trip back with a new barrel. Didn't matter what weight, pressure or brand of ammo, the accuracy sucked. I even did the Apex sear, polished the striker block myself and wasted 500+ rounds on it since people where claiming it was me getting used to the trigger even though every other gun I've owned shot better.

    I was hoping they would improve them at some point and once I heard about the new triggers and barrels being put in the M&Ps I waited until I found one because other than the FS 9mm accuracy, everything on the M&P series is perfect. Well I found one recently with the Shield like trigger and different barrel twist so I took a chance. First outing had me shooting sub 2.5" groups right off the bat with any ammo weight. Now I'm happy. :supergrin:


    You can see the new stock sear is VERY close to the Apex hard sear. Below is the Apex sear on the left and my new stock sear on the right.
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  14. bac1023


    Sep 26, 2004
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  15. mrsurfboard

    mrsurfboard The Anti-Glock

    May 23, 2010
    You might say the same thing for late model gen 3 and certain gen 4 model Glocks. I read endless post in GG about brass to the face, extrator replacements, RSA replacements and such. To say the M&P is not ready for primetime is a statement from someone who doesn't own and has probably never shot one. You are also more then likely a rabid Glock fan boy.
  16. vettely


    Nov 28, 2006
    Below are the Glocks I have carried on duty for my first 17 years. On top what I've been carrying the past 3 years. Trigger is smooth, nice.

  17. raven11


    Jan 27, 2009
    you mean the Glock gen4 RSA recalls, Brass to Face issues , and all of GG blaming them on weak 115g ammo or limpwristing? that QC?
  18. HKLovingIT

    HKLovingIT Resident Evil

    Aug 20, 2010
    Out On The Tiles

    That is very interesting. So there is a definite reset point on this product improved version?
  19. mixflip


    Mar 4, 2009
    My dept recently made the switch to the M&P40. I know 2 other depots that also made the switch. I love my Glocks but I also love the M&P. S&W fixed the vague trigger reset on all M&PS made after October 2012 so there is no more trigger reset complaints from me.

    Ergos. Great adjustable back strap. Nice grip angle. Dovetail steel sights front and rear. Nice slide serrations. Steel guide rod. No dry fire field strip. American made! S&W hit a home run with this one.

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  20. Shockem841


    Sep 6, 2012
    I think it was that stupid ass gen4 that turned alot of people away from glocks!