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Glock Loosing ground to S&W

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by Bob Hafler, May 7, 2013.

  1. Bob Hafler

    Bob Hafler

    Sep 13, 2011
  2. It's good to see S&W finally build a Glock-style pistol folks actually like (unlike their first attempt).

  3. Glad to hear it. Glock needs to be knocked down a couple of notches since they seem to know what's best for their customers and ignore suggestions and requests.
  4. G26S239

    G26S239 NRA Patron

    Mar 17, 2008
    The only M&P I own is the M&P40c. It is a solid little gun, I like it. It will probably remain my only M&P but I understand why people like the series.
  5. GlockPride

    GlockPride Glock 23

    Aug 21, 2006
    Just OK
    Sold the last of the glocks last December. Running all M&P now and couldn't be happier.

    They are great pistols.
  6. HKLovingIT

    HKLovingIT Resident Evil

    Aug 20, 2010
    Out On The Tiles
    I wonder if Glock and Smith, etc. actually make a ton of money from these department purchases or if its purpose is just for locking in marketing collateral.

    They seem to sell them to the departments for peanuts so, just talking out my hole, I would imagine they would each like to get their product in as many departments as possible so they can say "carried by 65% of the nations officers."

    I expect they know that that kind of marketing clout will directly influence civilian sales and locations where the officers have to purchase their own firearm.

    Anyway, I like the M&P a lot. I have the 45c and 9c. Great pistols.

    I'm also glad Smith & Wesson is giving them some solid competition. It's good for everyone when the manufacturers are more motivated.
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  7. 03scgt


    May 23, 2011
    South Florida
    When they decide to make a stock trigger that doesn't feel like its going to snap in half or have a pull similar to the feel of a bag of broken potato chips I'll buy another.they are pretty comfortable in the hand
  8. KalashniKEV


    Sep 24, 2003

    Supposedly this has been fixed with the newer models. My disappointing journey into the world of M&P left a bad taste in my mouth though- crap triggers, and after you rebuild the whole FCG with aftermarket Apex parts the barrel itself is incapable of producing acceptable accuracy.

    People seem to have limitless patience for these guns though, even among some serious folks, which amazes me.

    I put them right next to XD. Not ready for Prime Time.
  9. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

    Oct 23, 2000
    California & New Mexico, US
    They make money on accessories and parts supply too, don't forget. Not to mention that mark-up is pretty high. For example, back in the mid-1980s, Colt AR-15s were MSRPed for around $750. Colt sold the M16A2 to Uncle Sam for $135. Steyr AUG was MSRPed for $1200. Steyr reps told me that they'd be willing to sell to Uncle Sam for about $190.

    So, a Glock/M&P is MSRP at about $550? They could probably sell the various LEAs for half that and till make money.
  10. WayneJessie


    Jan 12, 2013
    Have you seen Hickock's video of him shooting a M&P Pro? No doubt he is a great shooter but he was like a kid in a candy store with that thing.
    It's not just S&W that is turning the heat up on Glock. Their LE market is still strong but in civilian sales there alot of great pistols on the market now.
    I don't own a M&P but after watching that Pro Series run I got this tingling sensation running all the way up my leg...:embarassed:
  11. wjv


    Jan 17, 2002
    Pacific NW
    - Single stack

    - Pocket guns

    - Pistol caliber carbines

    Why would a company ignore such a huge segment of their market? :dunno:
  12. I couldn't be happier with my M&P45 full size. I can see why many departments have changed to S&W.
  13. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

    Oct 23, 2000
    California & New Mexico, US
    Maybe because Herr Glock's lead firearms engineer went to work for Caracal?
  14. vista461


    Jul 10, 2006
    S.E. WI
    LE officer price on an M&P is $398 with the 3mags, and I'm sure they're making good money on that.
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  15. CigarandScotch

    CigarandScotch Fartacus

    Sep 22, 2011
    Naw Cackalacky
    I admit that I find them more comfortable to hold and shoot. Too bad I can't hit anything with them like I can with my G17. I'm sure I could do better with practice, but I shot the Glock pretty damn well from the first shot, despite its blocky shape and lack of ergonomics. I'm a "dance with the one that brung ya" type, so I'll pass.

  16. This

    The latter would be awesome imo..
    Sent from the year 1985 via my Delorean
  17. KalashniKEV


    Sep 24, 2003
    ...and turned out another polymer framed pistol that is inferior to Glock?

    He did that before too- and we all know what a great success those freaky Steyr pistols were.

  18. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

    Oct 23, 2000
    California & New Mexico, US
    And we all know how many "product improvements" that Glock had gone through too, huh? :rofl:
  19. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

    Jan 26, 2001
    the first glock that s&w built was the sigma. i had the sigma 40ve(?). it was a pretty darn good gun in my opinion.

    would like a sigma 9v stainless if i could find one locally for trade...
  20. I acutally consider the Steyr superior to the glock..I think the Steyr is what the Glock inspired to be. lol...I think the biggest reason is the Steyr actually feels better in my hand and the Glock feels like holding a brick sideways in my hand :)