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Glock Employer said only 124 grain

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by bha0198, Feb 15, 2013.

  1. CDW4ME


    Jun 5, 2009
    Glock ruined the Glock perfection that was typical of 2007 models and before.

    In the past, I could buy a new Glock and it would work 100% out of the box, with any regular ammo and no brass to the face.

    How to ruin a legacy for no reason? First the MIM "dip" extractors in the late Gen 3, then the apparently oversprung Gen 4.

    I will note that my recently purchased model 36 (made July 2012) performed perfectly for its initial hundred rounds, thank God.
  2. md21


    Feb 2, 2013
    I was getting BTF 90% of the time from my G19 Gen4. I sent it back to Glock. They replaced the ejector and the RSA with the newer versions. It's been absolutely perfect ever since, firing over 1,500 rounds of everything including WWB, Sellier & Bellot, cheap TulAmmo, Winchester Ranger NATO, and Speer +P Gold Dots. Get those parts changed and I think it'll eat anything and love it.

  3. VinnieG


    Dec 18, 2012
    That is a great question bro. Idk why they would change a thing internally. They worked great the way they were. All my glocks are gen3 and I have not had one problem
  4. Bruce M

    Bruce M

    Jan 3, 2010
    S FL
    Interesting that they put that in writing (presuming they did.) Might be interesting to have someone else shoot it.
  5. pat701


    Feb 2, 2005
    Beyond OZ
    IMHO when you buy a NIB firearm of any brand it should function reliably without any modifications or specific ammo requirements :steamed::crying:
  6. samurairabbi

    samurairabbi Dungeon Schmuck

    Dec 31, 1998
    Indianapolis, IN
    I remember the first five years the Sigma was on the market. Many were temperamental out of the box. The same period Glocks were smooth out of the box.

    Now Glocks are routinely being squirrely out of.the box.
  7. BamaTrooper

    BamaTrooper Almost Done

    Sep 12, 2006
    Rocking Chair
    He didn't say it didn't function, he said it he was taking BTF.:tongueout:
  8. Well my Glocks will ONLY put a brass case in my face if I let it twist in my hand during recoil so the ejection port is pointed abit toward my face.

    I suspect that is what is happening. They need a tighter hold on their gun.

  9. samurairabbi

    samurairabbi Dungeon Schmuck

    Dec 31, 1998
    Indianapolis, IN
    Please be assured that I contemplate truly picturesque epithets ahout your IQ, parentage, eyesight, ancestry, and sense of direction.
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2013
  10. Comrade Bork

    Comrade Bork

    May 1, 2001
    The guns are designed in AUSTRIA.

    Ya Know? EUROPE.

    Where NATO spec ammo is 124 grain.

    Come on.

    115grain 9mm ammo exists so American bullet manufacturers can make 11 bullets for the same amount of metal they would need to make 10 124gr bullets. Cheapskates. Nothing magical about 115s. The gun was designed around 124s.

    Glock tweaked the springs and ejectors so the Gen4s I have shot, at least, don't BTF.

    Just shot a State Steel Challenge Championship with my G34Gen4. Used Atlanta Arms Blue Box 115s (gun was designed for 124s; didn't say I never shot 115s myself. With the current ammo drought I like everyone else will take what I can get when I can get it.)

    Functioned flawlessly and no brass in the face.

    Are the ones still causing the problems ones that have not received the updated parts?
  11. JimFS

    JimFS JimFS

    Feb 14, 2012
    Just some comments from a nerd. I did look up the NATO specs the other day. Got tired of not knowing what they really meant. Very old. Glocks were supposed to be designed to meet NATO specs. So they were originally designed for between 108 and 128 gr bullets. Most rounds used would likely have been 124 gr so I assume this is the sweet spot. The pressure ranges stated however appear to be higher than what I see listed for +P loads. So while 115 gr is well within the NATO spec the pressures and energy of less expensive rounds would be lower than NATO. And since any recoil operated pistol is likely dependent on the bullet weight and the internal pressure to cycle the slide, any change from the sweet spot could change the speed of the slide coming back, which affects how the case is ejected from the gun. And of course you can limp wrist it and add another variable to the equation.

    I would also assume that a lighter pistol, such as a polymer Glock (and other makes), might also be more prone to limp wrist problems since the polymer frame has less mass to stabalize the gun. But then again it is really nice to have a light pistol for carry.

    As for the popularity of Glocks. Seems like they are very popular at this time since a couple of weeks ago a Glock rep told me they had over 600,000 on backorder. Most larger gun stores, including Gander Mt and two Bass Pro Shops I visited recently had no glocks at all.

    From --- happy with my Glocks
  12. DWARREN123

    DWARREN123 Grumpy Old Guy Silver Member

    Jan 25, 2008
    Clarksville, Tn.
    I have 2 Gen3 G19's. From the start one had BTF problems and the other did not. I have shot everything from 80gr bullets to 147gr bullets and it has made no differences in my pistols ejection patterns.
    I call BS!
  13. clarkz71


    Aug 24, 2012
    South Florida
    "The gen4 Glocks are made to be a military pistol and are built to handle a higher pressure load".

    This is some statement. So after almost 30 years the reason
    for BTF is the new Glocks are a military pistol?

    Why are they selling to civillians then? They know what ammo we shoot.

    And they test fire with aluminum case Blazer. Is that a NATO round?

    I call BS.
  14. Bruce M

    Bruce M

    Jan 3, 2010
    S FL

    That certainly suggests there is some difference between the two guns.
  15. BamaTrooper

    BamaTrooper Almost Done

    Sep 12, 2006
    Rocking Chair
    At least someone is thinking about me...:supergrin:
  16. BamaTrooper

    BamaTrooper Almost Done

    Sep 12, 2006
    Rocking Chair
    My former ammo of choice was Blazer aluminum until it became nearly as expensive as brass. It seemed hotter than your normal 115gr bulk bullet
  17. countsk


    Sep 29, 2009
    That most apply to Gen 4s only because my Gen 2 G19, that I've owned for 20 years, and my Gen 3 G26 will run anything. Has Glock been taken over by morons?
  18. So...what was the solution to the problem?
  19. Lowjiber


    Jan 26, 2012
    Las Vegas
    My three Glock 9mm's (17g3/19g4/26g3) all perform great with 115 grain range ammo (mostly Blazer Brass). Thousands of rounds with absolutely no failures or BTF issues.

    Sounds strange to me.
  20. eagle15


    Oct 7, 2005
    We all would love to see a copy of the written guidance from Glock.