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Glock 23 gen 4 Going back

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by Backfire_Tx, Aug 31, 2012.

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  1. Backfire_Tx

    Backfire_Tx

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    1st time to ship a firearm. My Glock 23 gen 4 has a failure to feed problem when i started to practice with SD ammo. I use Gold dot 165's 1150 fps. Problem does not any FMJ lawman 165's or 180 FMJ of any cheap brand - probably 900 rounds shot through Gun. And no - It's is not magazine specific, problem occurs with multiple magazines. Very frustrated - had to previous have a new ejector sent to armorer to fix the ejections to the head.


    Ok Fed-ex or UPS? Can i ship it in the standard glock case? I guess you can correct and just take out insurance? What say you Glock mighty experts?

    Thread below shows process in attempt to correct Failure to feed issue
     
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  2. SJ 40

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  3. Backfire_Tx

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    Just tired of trying to diagnose what is going on. Multiple mags Glock 2's follower 9 have issues. Its fairly consistent.
     
  4. USSOCOM

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    FedEx in the case, no mags. Drop in a medium sized FedEx box take it by a FedEx hub not a Kinkos.
     
  5. SJ 40

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    Not to difficult to diagnose just find,borrow a proved Gen 3 23 or 22 magazine and shoot it.
    It worked for me along with Voyagers instructions on how to modify mags,That said I will not purchase any Gen 4 magazines.
    Hate to see you fork out the money to send it to Glock only for them to return it stating test fired meets specs. and having done nothing to take care of your problem. SJ 40
     
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  6. Backfire_Tx

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    Why would FMJ 165's work fine then, and JHP gold dots do not - in same mag? I dont get it.
     
  7. SJ 40

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    Depending on the profile of the bullet,most JHP's tend to be some what shorter in length and the hollow point cavity is a very abrupt,large flat nose.
    Compare the bullet profiles,silhouette of each side by side and see what you think.
    One of the best self defense rounds as far as it's ability to feed because of the bullets shape is the Remington Golden Saber rounds.

    I just took some measurements.

    Federal Champion 180 gr. FMJ-measurement of nose diameter
    0.250

    Speer Lawman 180 gr FMJ -measurement of nose diameter 0.251

    Speer Gold Dot 180 gr. JHP- measurement of nose diameter
    0.307

    Remington Golden Saber 180 gr. JHP- measurement of nose diameter.
    0.292

    Remington Golden Saber 165 gr. JHP-measurement of nose diameter.
    0.287

    Federal HST 180 gr. JHP-measurement of nose diameter.
    0.288

    The numbers show it.

    If you do have a problem Gen 4 magazine the follower doesn't completely rise to the top of the tube,causing the bullet to release low .
    The bullet slams lower than it should on the feed ramp,usually tipping downward,Bingo Jam. SJ 40
     
  8. Backfire_Tx

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    So your thinking is that for a common SD load that the LE uses, the mags (plural) are bad? Gold dot 165's is extensively used, is my gun unique? I am hung up on why my gun cannot use standard loads. I am using the Glock 2 with follower's of 9. They are the latest. Could it be also the extractor? It is a dipped extractor.
     
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  9. SJ 40

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    It could be a number of things and if sending back will make you feel more confident then that's what you should do.

    If I hadn't been through the same thing I wouldn't offer the magazine problem.
    My best suggestion to you is find,borrow a proven magazine that will tell you if that is indeed the problem.
    If you were closer to me I would give you one of my g 22 mags that would give you your answer.

    Besides the list of problems Glock is having this will reoccur for years as the bad magazines in stock in stores or distributors get sold. SJ 40
     
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  10. hulk2k8

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    Depends on what's closest to you. UPS Stores will not take you gun. You must find a UPS hub.

    Any FedEx / Kinkos however can ship your gun for you. You are however supposed to declare that it is a firearm.
     
  11. Backfire_Tx

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    Believe me it Makes sense what you are saying, i just dont have a baseline mag that works. I'll try and find someone who has a Glock 40 cal - that works. But with a new gun, it should not take this much effort. If i get it back and its still broke -after the cost of shipping. I think i'll get an XD!
     
  12. SJ 40

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    Backfire :agree: How many unsold 40S&W guns with bad magazines remain in distributors and shop shelves and packaged magazines as Glock doesn't do recalls.

    I had purchased 9 magazines from a large distributor and of course they were the latest with a #.2 on the base of the tube body and #.9 follower.
    All 9 had the same feeding problems as you are experiencing.
    I had a three Gen 3 magazines to test with,so I was fortunate.
    With Voyagers instructions I was able to straighten two of the 9 magazines the remaining 7 I got shed of,will never purchase another Gen 4,40S&W magazine.
    It's too bad Glock isn't what it used to be,Perfection is now spelled with a small p. SJ 40
     
  13. SJ 40

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    Double Tap SJ 40
     
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  14. Backfire_Tx

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    Wow. So you shaved down the plastic in the mags, and got 2 to work? I have a #1 mag with 8 follower i picked up at gun show. Was going to fire whats left of my gold dot 165's to see if that made a difference. Problem occurs normally in the middle or near top of the 13 shot mag - it is consistent on FTF. I would like to isolate the problem to the mags and not the gun. If the #1 mag works - then i will know. I guess most people would just use larger bullet grains 180 gd, or as you suggested some other SD ammo where the shape is different.
     
  15. fourrobert13

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    Just a suggestion, but perhaps you should try a different SD load. Maybe your 23 just doesn't like 165gr GD ammo. Try some different stuff and see if that corrects the problem. As for shipping, contact Glock again and tell them you need a shipping label. UPS will cost you close to $70 to ship overnight with insurance. Glock will give you a label, you just have to mention it, but I would try different ammo before sending it back. My Gen 4 23 has no issues with 180gr Winchester Ranger bonded HP ammo and that's using the Gen 4 mags. Just my two cents.
     
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  18. Backfire_Tx

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    Its the principal of the thing - i want to use what LE use. Glock will make this right. When i bought the gun, they did not tell me that "some guns may not work with standard SD ammo".
     
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  19. SJ 40

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    I have had zero problems with unnumbered tubes or number 1 tube with # 6 and 8 followers,they should have the SF cut out on the front of the tube.
    I have come to prefer unnumbered tubes and # 5 followers and now have twenty of them.
    Another thing I have picked up from a long time G Ter,ArcAngel is whenever replacing mag springs use Wolff +5 or + 10 power springs.

    SKU Description Price ($) Add to cart
    75371 GLOCK 19,21,23,27, +10% XP MAG SPRING Pak of 1 7.49

    75373 GLOCK 19,21,23,27, +10% XP MAG SPRING Pak of 3 17.29

    75374 GLOCK 19,21,23,27, +10% XP MAG SPRING Pak of 10 47.99


    If it were me now that you have the #1 tube with # 8 follower try those Gold Dots and see what the results are,I think I know. SJ 40
     
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  20. Backfire_Tx

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    I appreciate the help SJ. Thanks.