Had an extremely dangerous and scary experience today.. I cant even describe how upset I am over this. Do not know how to completely explain how this just happened but here goes.
I came home from my daily errands today. I have my CCW and carry on a daily basis. Well after I walk into the house and put groceries etc down, I take my NEW G23 gen 4 in the holster off of my belt, and set it down on my kitchen table....as I sent it down THE PISTOL FIRES!! Right into my living room wall!!! I truly do not know how it was even able to?! MY finger was no where near the trigger...It was in a Serpa Holster so I was totally unable to pull the trigger even if I wanted too!! I did not throw the $@%$ pistol down hard onto the table or anything....I literally set it down like I always do... Thank God the GF wasnt home, the bullet did not go through the outer wall of my home, and myself nor neighbors were injured or worse....
I am just completely in shock over this..I have never in my life had this happen, I wouldnt think it was remotely possible... especially with a Glock(and I have owned many glocks as well as other pistols over the past 10 years now with no AD/ND or anything ever) I have since put the now unloaded pistol in its case and I am going to be calling Glock tomorrow morning....
Does anyone know how this is possible?! Or have they had this happen before?! I truly am just shocked and amazed over this. I checked the Glocks function and it seemed normal, the ejected casing had a normal firing pin strike on the primer (obviously since the pistol fired, but I wanted to make sure the round somehow didnt fire of its own accord)
I just truly do not trust this weapon at all now and am just very upset and didnt know where else to put this.
UPDATE 12/12/2012
Ok, talked to a Glock rep today. Glock replaced multiple parts. They informed me that it looked as if their was a trigger job done to it at some point in time. No other info from them on the issue though. I definitely did not do this...so it is for sure used. They said I should have my pistol back in 2 days though! So that is a plus.
So at this point in time I think I need to begin dealing with Fin Feather Fur in Ashland about selling me a used weapon as new.
I'm not an armorer nor an engineer. I don't have an explanation.
The holster is a far more simple device though. Without a foreign object being introduced, a properly functioning SERPA holster in itself cannot pull the trigger, and will not allow anything else access to within the trigger gaurd.
But the gun did go bang, and if I don't think the holster is to blame, I can only bet on one other thing.
Like most people say, something had to have pull the trigger.
Also, in the future, a safer practice would be to remove the weapon from the holster and unload it and then take off the holster. Never handle a holster with a firearm inside.
Its very unlikely that its the glock since the functionality of a glock and safety mechanism would not allow a AD in the described circumstances. Even if it was poorly modified.
I dont think its the holster, looking at my blackhawk, bladetech, comptac, glock, other generic holsters............I cant see anything close that would pull the trigger.
I think when the OP holstered his weapon into the holster, he might have had a string or some clothes caught inside with slight tension and when he removed the holster, the trigger got pulled by whatever was holding onto it.
Also, many time people do not realize their trigger was touched with a finger during an AD..............not saying this is the case since we were not there, but I dont think this is likely with the blackhawk.
Point to consider: Guns dont fire themselves, holsters dont fire guns..........its human intervention generally cause such dilemma. I would think if it was the holster then why did the gun choose to fire just when it was taken off? Seem like if the holster had something to press on the trigger then it would have happened at the time of inserting the weapon.
I've never understood about people thinking if your post count is high then you know what your talking about. My son is 15 and I would put money on it that he knows more about Glocks then half the members on here and he has a 0 post count on here. The other day My son was showing his uncle how to break his new G19 slide completely down.
I've never understood about people thinking if your post count is high then you know what your talking about. My son is 15 and I would put money on it that he knows more about Glocks then half the members on here and he has a 0 post count on here. The other day My son was showing his uncle how to break his new G19 slide completely down.
I want to say I have been carrying the same Glock in a Serpa for some time so I am very interested in the results.
What bothers me is the reaction by some members. There are several people that probably don't even own a serpa saying how dangerous they are and yelling at their computers to get rid of them immediately.
You sound like the media talking about guns. Placing blame without proof, I have sat here for an hour looking at my serpa and there is no way it can be to blame if it was the right model for the gun. We are not talking about pulling the trigger while drawing the weapon. Once locked in the serpa there is nothing close to the trigger. Don't blame the holster just because you don't want to blame the Glock. I hope it can be figured out with a logical explanation. Until then all of my Glocks will go back in their Serpas.
I think it will be interesting to see if someone can't safely replicate what happened, and try to figure out exactly what happened, so the rest of us can try our best to avoid it.
I have 2 sons one is 17 and the other is 15. I started them both out shooting Glocks when they were 6. My oldest son likes guns but doesn't love them. My 15 year old loves them. Specially Glocks. :supergrin:
I want to say I have been carrying the same Glock in a Serpa for some time so I am very interested in the results.
What bothers me is the reaction by some members. There are several people that probably don't even own a serpa saying how dangerous they are and yelling at their computers to get rid of them immediately.
You sound like the media talking about guns. Placing blame without proof, I have sat here for an hour looking at my serpa and there is no way it can be to blame if it was the right model for the gun. We are not talking about pulling the trigger while drawing the weapon. Once locked in the serpa there is nothing close to the trigger. Don't blame the holster just because you don't want to blame the Glock. I hope it can be figured out with a logical explanation. Until then all of my Glocks will go back in their Serpas.
I think it will be interesting to see if someone can't safely replicate what happened, and try to figure out exactly what happened, so the rest of us can try our best to avoid it.
Thats what I wish this thread would have turned into, instead of the usual "I know more" and "post count" discussion. I did a lot of testing and even tried to put shirt/coat tail in the holster (around trigger) and then took the holster off and nope, trigger was not pulled. Not sure what else I could do with the holster and gun except maybe take a hammer to it and see if it will go off. I will like to hear an update from the OP so we can make sure that we are aware and help minimize this from happening to anyone else if avoidable.
Thats what I wish this thread would have turned into, instead of the usual "I know more" and "post count" discussion. I did a lot of testing and even tried to put shirt/coat tail in the holster (around trigger) and then took the holster off and nope, trigger was not pulled. Not sure what else I could do with the holster and gun except maybe take a hammer to it and see if it will go off. I will like to hear an update from the OP so we can make sure that we are aware and help minimize this from happening to anyone else if avoidable.
Exactly, that's what I want, results, not pissing contests. If this is the fault of the holster, how can we avoid it happening again? If this is the fault of the firearm, how can we avoid it happening again? If this is the fault of the user, how can we avoid it happening again?
Exactly, that's what I want, results, not pissing contests. If this is the fault of the holster, how can we avoid it happening again? If this is the fault of the firearm, how can we avoid it happening again? If this is the fault of the user, how can we avoid it happening again?
I have 2 sons one is 17 and the other is 15. I started them both out shooting Glocks when they were 6. My oldest son likes guns but doesn't love them. My 15 year old loves them. Specially Glocks. :supergrin:
Exactly, that's what I want, results, not pissing contests. If this is the fault of the holster, how can we avoid it happening again? If this is the fault of the firearm, how can we avoid it happening again? If this is the fault of the user, how can we avoid it happening again?
I agree , its hard to post about anything without the pissing contestants getting involved. If you disregard them, you will find many normal civil acting people here.
I agree , its hard to post about anything without the pissing contestants getting involved. If you disregard them, you will find many normal civil acting people here.
Yeah, that is true, but having to scroll through pages and pages of pissing contests to find the onesies and twosies of actual posts gets annoying. :tongueout:
Well I'm pretty sure Glocks are number 1 for AD, regardless of holster, traning, experience, ect.... Glocks seems to be the most common demominator when you hear of AD.
Well I'm pretty sure Glocks are number 1 for AD, regardless of holster, traning, experience, ect.... Glocks seems to be the most common demominator when you hear of AD.
Just a quick search on Glock accident vs. Berretta Accident . this is what I came up with.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC4vPMpDbRY"]Glock Accident - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xWOFCkTZzk"]glock accident - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0"]Cop Shoots himself in the leg - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y0homNMtjM"]1991 Chevy Beretta GTZ Barrier Crash Test - YouTube[/ame]
I said regardless....Just way too many AD/ND, could also be the quality of people who buy/play with them.:dunno:
I like my glocks, but I'm not going to CCW one in my pants with a round in the chamber, a little too close to the BOYS for that.... I do trust my Kahr close to the BOYS though, and thats what I CCW.
Glocks are one of the easiest guns for point and shoot. They go bang when you pull the trigger. No fuss, no manual safety, no steps to take before they work. That's one of the main reasons I carry them...
In every single NG/AD I've ever heard of, the trigger was pulled. Either negligently or accidentally. Last I checked any gun will go bang as intended (so long as it's ready to) when you pull the trigger.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns dont fire themselves, people fire them. Really dont think there's much more to it than that... :dunno:
That is some hilarious $#!T right there. But again, in each vid the trigger was pulled... which would yeild the same results with any gun, regardless of the manufacturer. But everyone already knows that.
Man the Beretta... brings back memories. :supergrin:
By your own admission, not too much; but that doesn't mean that we still can't be friends.
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