Glock 23 Gen 4 Accidental Discharge??!!

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by 00Glazz, Dec 3, 2012.


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  1. That's what Glock says, but I've read on the forums
    many times that shooters bring the gun home, pull
    the slide and clean & lube the gun including removing
    the copper lube/anti sieze. Never heard of any issues
    due to that.

    I'm the same way, from the box to the range.

    Same on the wife part too, anything to get me out
    of the house so she can have some "alone time"
     

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  2. 150 rounds total. Cleaned anti-sieze (its not a lube). Flame? Naw, I am really trying to point out how the machinery works. And the unlikelyhood of this chain being factory originated.

    Glock does not "fit" pistols together. They are "assembled" with standard parts. The trigger bar and striker are so standard that they simply drop in as do all the other parts. Its called interchangable parts. Glock parts are as identical as anything made in the gun world.

    IF, and I say IF, this pistol had the minimal sear engagement claimed, any fool would have known it. Why you ask?

    Because it would feel like a 3# 1911 trigger sitting on a hair's edge. Or simply feel TOO good.

    A new Glock these days is coming with a 6-7# trigger that pulls easily, gets hard, has movement you can feel, and then releases the striker. With 500 or 1000 rounds it gets smoother and drops to 5.5-6#, but does not get shorter nor lose the free travel to the harder pull spot.

    When the engagement is down under 50%, the "hard" portion of the trigger travel becomes almost non existent. You cannot miss it. It feels good, you like it, but no one besides an idjit would shoot it. You just know something is wrong.

    How do da' Glock get such a FUBAR trigger? Not by factory assembly. The first time an assembler pulled the trigger, they would know. No second half travel/engagement.

    What usually happens is that a 25cent tuneup removes metal from the bottom of the striker tang or the top of the trigger bar engaging the tang. This reduces engagement. Or the assembly gets bent. Specifically the part that enters the drop safety shelf gets bent upward and lets the "sear" part drop down. Or the long arm of the bar gets bent and does the same thing.

    Or worse, the angle of the "sear" changes or the angle of the tang changes, and the engagement becomes one of self sliding release. Now that one really feels smooth.

    Polished away metal? Bent parts? Either highly likely.

    Factory FUBAR assembly? Not likely.

    (None of which covers the firing pin safety problem.)(To get it to fire, we have to stack FUBAR upon FUBAR.)

    I would believe Mrs. White did it in the closet with the plunger before I believed Gaston did it.

    (I'm the first to admit you are probably not having fun by this point. I'm sorry your gun is not working correctly and way more sorry it managed to fire unwantedly. Hell, I know what stupid feels like. Try asking a GlockTech if it matters if your older AA .22LR unit breaking off a brand new Glock Gen4's plastic assembly guides in front of the front rails matters for functionality. And the only nice thing the fellow can think of to say is, "That's novel." Yeah, I did that. I had never seen a word about the older AA units damaging Gen4 frames. While its just cosmetic, every time you disassemble it, you are reminded.)
     

    #202 LampShadeActual, Dec 5, 2012
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  3. Bingo! We have a winner!
     
  4. Actually, it's both a lube and antisieze. I'm a technician
    for Mercedes Benz and we use the same stuff for many
    applications, also works well for the threads on driving
    screws on pullers like on axle bearing puller/installer.

    We use Wurth which is made in Germany



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    #204 clarkz71, Dec 5, 2012
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  5. You guessed wrong, never had a problem myself, just seems like too many Glock owners are having accidents.

    There was a story a few years ago when a guy was playing with his glock in the car while the wife was in the store. As he went to put it away after playing with it it went off into his leg and he died on the spot in front of his wife and kids.

    It's always the same stories. "It just went off" "I swear I did not touch the trigger"

     
  6. :dunno:
    Thanks for clearing that up. I apologize for
    making an assumption, I know better

    I agree with you 100% on that. I read about that guy online.
    Real dumb needless death.

    And what about Plexico Burris, same deal.
    Playing around, hand in the pocket of sweatpants
    (no holster) and pop, jail, ruined career.
    http://www.examiner.com/article/plaxico-burress-2-years-for-fumbling-a-glock
     
    #206 clarkz71, Dec 5, 2012
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  7. OP,
    Do you think there was a chance that the gun shop sold you a used handgun? I don't understand why a gun shop would clean their guns inside and out prior to being sold. Is this customary? I know its not what I see in my area. What if one of the employees got bored while cleaning it and decided to modify some stuff and play around with it or maybe it was a returned gun. All the Glocks that I bought new weren't cleaned until "I" the owner cleaned them and inspected them. I think we have ruled the holster as being the problem. With that said let us know what Glocks tells you. A couple of possibilities now:
    1. It came FUBARed from Glock
    2. Somebody tampered/modified/screwed with it before it got to you.
     
    #207 carloglock19, Dec 5, 2012
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  8. Thats my whole point, are the typical glock owners too dumb to own them or are glocks just unsafe??

    When it comes to accidents Glocks are at the top of the list, 1911 models close second,,, maybe?

    Go to other brand forums, Kahr, Berretta, Smith, ect...
    You just don't hear of so many AD/ND stories.

    Is it the brand, or the people who buy them?? Debateable forever I guess.

    But its good to have these debates I'm sure someone will come away with extra sence of caution when handling/ playing with firearms. Props to the OP for bringing this issue up

    Personally, I feel more comfortable tucking away my Kahr or EMP.



     
  9. Yeah, and IIRC, it was a worn leather holster that snagged the trigger. Not the gun's fault. User error.

    Don't play with your loaded gun, people.
     
  10. T-Rod45

    T-Rod45 Loves The Glock

    I seriously want to see a controlled test where someone tries to make a gun fire without physically pulling the trigger...
     

  11. Glocks are known for going bang. :whistling: The trigger safety has always been an issue and their models should be updated to have the grip safety like the 1911 firearms received after they were very popular and they were "going boom by accident". The gun should be sent back to Glock to see if it is defective and you should check the ammo to check for defects. Most of the time it is always "operator error" but I do have to say that you should be carrying an HK:faint:.

    I would also place snap caps in the firearm, cock it and place the holster on it and try to duplicate the event. Maybe you touched the holster where it could place pressure upon the trigger and cause it ti fire. Remember what I said...."the Glock trigger safety sucks". :shocked:

    Keep finger away from trigger in a Glock until you have a safe background etc. Any damage to the home?

    But I have seen some ammo go off for no reason over the years. So check everything out.
     
    #211 JuneyBooney, Dec 5, 2012
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  12. You beat me to it. I was going to link to the anti-seize website that explains how the stuff is a friction reducing lubricant. :wavey:

    I'm in the automotive business as well and have studied fastener metallurgy extensively, so I'm pretty familiar with lubricant-based friction reduction.
     
  13. First I believe the reason you hear about so many AD/ND
    with Glocks is there are so many out there. Very popular
    gun with all the movies using them & of course LEO use.

    Second, many of those that purchase them never get
    any form of training on safe handling and basic shooting
    skills. They buy them, go to the range and shoot 50
    rounds and that's it. It's both the platform & non-shooters
    that are the problem. The Glock itself is a safe gun.

    Again your right that this topic has come up and discussing
    it may help to get some people to go take a gun safty course.

    Last, you and any other shooter needs to feel comfortable
    with their carry gun 100% so in a high stress situation
    you will have the best chance of coming out of it alive
     
  14. How so?

    That goes for any firearm, not just Glock


    ALL 1911's have a grip safty. The military told Browning to add them to the gun along with a thumb safty. That is from day 1

    The first 45 had neither, a 1905 model.

    The top pic is a 1905, bottom 1911
    The 1911 in the pic was produced in 1910.


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    #214 clarkz71, Dec 5, 2012
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  15. Ding, Ding, we have a winner.
     
  16. Great info and thanks for posting it.

    I assume that your pistol still has the original ribbed trigger with trigger bar in it. I'm only asking because a lot of folks like to have them changed out for the smooth trigger with trigger bar when they buy them and would probably still consider their pistol stock (as you said it was) because the original trigger was replaced with a Glock OEM part.
     
  17. I was thinking about making a video about this several times. All I need to do is to chop one of my spare slide back plates in half so that I can gain access to the firing pin/striker lug and the rear/sear of the trigger bar so that I can push down the the rear end of the trigger bar with an small flat headed screw driver which would release the striker.

    The problem with simulating this is the firing pin safety block. It might fire with an ~ 65-70% pre-set striker, if I completely remove the safety block. But it might not, even if the safety block and its spring is incorretly installed.

    I would not suggest anyone doing this with a hot round though because it could end bloody when it fires and the slide comes back at your fingers and your screw driver. It can end even deadly if the gun slips out of your hand while you manipulate it. Eventough it's not hard stop the slide from coming back with just your thumb pressure while firing. But the slide is hard to stop ones it started moving.

    One can 100% simulate a hot round with an empty shell casing, no gun powder and no projetile in it, just the primer, or you use a blank round.

    PLEASE DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME!!!
     
  18. I was talking about the 80 series vs the 70 series. I think Glocks are inherently dangerous because if something hits that little safety , the trigger moves easily. If they had the grip safety too I don't think the Glocks would be as prone to accidental discharge.

    To me the best aiming gun is a five inch 1911. When I instruct people with Glocks for the first time I leave the chamber empty for the first draws. They always seem to shoot while drawing.
     
  19. If they shoot while drawing, wouldn't they do the same thing with any handgun.
     
  20. happyguy

    happyguy Man, I'm Pretty

    Defective/broken guns do.

    Regards,
    Comrade Happyguy :)
     

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