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Glock 20 vs Kimber

Discussion in 'The 10 Ring' started by akjaeger, Sep 16, 2012.


  1. akjaeger

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    I had a little informal shootout between my Glock 20 SF and a new to me Kimber Eclipse II.
    The Glock has a Storm Lake bbl, fiber optic front sight, 3.5 lb connector, otherwise it's all stock.
    The Kimber is all stock.
    The load was my Glock's favorite load, 9.3 gr Longshot- 180 XTP- 1.250 OAL- Starline brass- CCI 300 primers. I haven't tried any other loads in the Kimber.
    The plan was to check the sight regulation on the Kimber, I'd been shooting and adjusting the fixed rear sight for windage and thought I had it about right.
    As an afterthought I threw in the Glock.
    I set up targets at 25, 50 and 100 yards. I use a 4", 8" and 16" bull so the sight picture is the same.
    I use a seated backrest position with the gun rested in between my knees. For me the point of impact from this position is real close to the POI of two handed standing.
    I shot 3 shots at each target whith each gun.
    The Glock shot a 1" group at 25yds a little low and left of center, a 4" center group at 50 yards and a 12" group at 100yds barely left of center. The 100 yd group was 4" wide and centered.
    The kimber shot a 3" group at 25 yds a little high, a 4" centered group at 50 yds with two shots touching and a 3" group at 100yds centered for elevation and a little left of center.
    I thought both guns shot very well and you guys would get a kick out of the results.
     

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  2. bac1023

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    You shot a 3" group at 100 yards?
     

  3. akjaeger

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    Yeah, pretty lucky! But I also shot a 3" group at 25 yds and a 4" group at 50 yards with the same gun and load.
    The Glock 100 yard group was also only 4" wide. It's much harder for me to get consistent elevation than windage.
    The key to consistent group sizes for me is to have the target exactly the same width as the front sight, 4" @ 25yds, 8" @50yds and 16" @ 100yds.
    I've been shooting the Glock for about a year and it's turned in several 8" five shot groups at 100yds.
     
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  4. bac1023

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    Very cool :cool:
     
  5. countrygun

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    Nice work. Thanks. I need some more time to do that with my G-20 and my Witness.
     
  6. Any Cal.

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    It seems to me the trigger is the limiting factor in good 100yd groups with the 20, and to an extent the sights. Getting the first couple shots off isn't bad, but the last few in the group take a lot of concentration. That 3" group from the Kimber is sweet.
     
  7. akjaeger

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    The Glock trigger has been really hard for me to learn.
    A 22 conversion kit was the key as I literally required a 1000rds to figure the trigger out. The .22 kit allowed me to concentrate on the trigger without the distractions ofthe 10mm's recoil and muzzle blast.
     
  8. nickE10mm

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    Very nice .... shooting at long range with a handgun isn't easy work... but it sure is fun!
     
  9. orangeride

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    Nice job. I'd be interested in how the glock oem stacked up against the kkm in the accuracy dept.
     
  10. akjaeger

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    I'm not sure how the Glock barrel shoots, I wanted to reload the brass so I bought the Storm Lake barrel before shooting the gun very much.
     
  11. blastfact

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    I enjoy long range pistol shooting.
     
  12. Berto

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    I shoot my G20 and Kimber Cust II with really similar results (to each other) downrange. Once I do the Cold Bore treatment on the G20, it will be sweet.
     
  13. Taterhead

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    The main rifle line at my range has a lot of steel gongs. The closest being 165 yards. I make sure to send a mag or two from the G20 each time. I get hits, and some misses too. Always shooting offhand. Shooting that far will really exploit bad trigger technique and will reveal loads that aren't very accurate.

    On Sunday I was shooting a number of guns including an M1 Carbine (110 gr @ 1900). The big 10 rang the gong noticably more forcefully than the Carbine did.

    akjaeger, I loaded a few hundred rounds of that exact load. For whatever reason, my G20 doesn't like it as well as some other powders under 180 XTPs. Isn't it odd how guns are built the same way, but they are all different and each has its own personality.
     
  14. akjaeger

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    Taterhead,
    I know what you mean about the variation, gun to gun.
    Things like that make it interesting and frustrating!
     
  15. MichiGun Hunter

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    But i'll believe a 3" group at 100 yards when i see it done!!!!
     
  16. gator378

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    Especially with a Red Dot so you can hit the target a long way off !!!!!!