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Getting vest together need advice

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by elliotb33, Jul 8, 2013.

  1. elliotb33


    Sep 2, 2011
    looking for a nice vest + plate carrier (incase I want plates in future). Here is what I think I'll be doing.

    1 Voodoo Tactical Vest
    Found it online for $90-$100

    1 Condor Triple Stacker M4 Mag Pouch (Holds 6)

    1 Condor Tactical Gear Stacker M4/M16 Mag Pouch (Holds 2)

    1 Condor Tactical Gear Double Pistol Mag Pouch (Holds 2)

    1 Condor Roll-Up Dump Pouch

    1 Condor Large Utility Pouch (Will use as Med. Pouch)

    1 Condor Tactical Gear Double Utility Pouch

    LApolicegrear is having a 15% off until midnight tonight so let me know what ya'll think.

    Let me know your set-up and thoughts, thank you.
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2013
  2. K. Foster

    K. Foster

    Feb 19, 2002
    I’ve seen people in classes wearing plate carriers without the plates. Because of the lack of plates, the pouches are very loose on the vest and equip flops around. If your situation calls for armor, by all means get a plate carrier. But if you aren’t going to get the plates, you’ll be better off with a chest rig or some form of battle belt for load carriage.
    For light use, you will probably be OK with the Condor pouches but their stitching is not great. I would look at better brands like Eagle, ATS, Tactical Tailor and others.

  3. Clusterfrack


    Apr 26, 2012
    Pacific NW
    I agree with Foster on both points. Condor is ok for light use and is fairly cheap. A top quality rig is going to be pricey. Add HSGI and First Spear to the list if you want quality.
  4. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

    May 15, 2010
    NW Florida
    Yup. I've used Condor stuff in the past, and brands like HSGI, Tactical Tailor, and First Spear are vastly superior - and you can often find gear from those brands for reasonable prices. I think I paid less than $30 each for my TT triple M4 pouches, my TT MAV rig was pretty cheap ($50ish, I think) and my HSGI belt was around $80. The worst cost on my belt rig (not counting handgun or medical supplies) was for 3 HSGI Tacos (2x Double Decker, 1x X2RP) - about $130 for all three.

    I run a HSGI SureGrip Padded Belt and it's a lot more comfortable to me than a chest rig, especially once a handgun is added. My chest rig wears two triple mag pouches from TT and a double pistol pouch from TT. However, it almost never leaves the closet at this point, but my belt rig sees use every time I go to shoot, since it's a comfortable way to keep my pistol and IFAK on me.
  5. Clusterfrack


    Apr 26, 2012
    Pacific NW
    Nice rig, Plank. Here's mine:

    First Spear Patrolling Suspenders
    VTac Cobra Belt
    PIG Hydration Carrier, 2L + Source WXP bladder
    From left to right on belt:
    ATS roll up dump pouch
    HSGI Double Decker TACO Magazine Pouch (holds AR or AI mags equally well)
    Blackhawk double AR-15 mag pouch /or/ Triad double AI mag pouch, depending on need.
    G-Code RTI Molle Adapter + Nacre QuietPro Earpro
    Tactical Tailor Canteen Utility Pouch (for misc equip)
    ITS ETA Trauma Kit in Tallboy Pouch + SOFT-T-W Tourniquet + EMT Mini-shears
    Tactical Tailor Fight Light Multi-Purpose Pouch
    HSGI Mini Modular Drop Leg Panel w/G-Code RTI Molle Adapter + G-Code RTI Glock 19 holster–-wide/
  6. MrMurphy

    MrMurphy ********* Moderator Moderator Millennium Member Lifetime Member

    Jan 16, 2001
    Buried in the X-files

    Some will disagree, but across the board, it's the only thing i'd use it for.

    What is the purpose of you wearing the rig? Do you have any professional training? Do you know anyone who's actually worn similar gear and can give advice not via internet?
  7. Big Bird

    Big Bird NRA Life Member

    Aug 7, 2003
    Louisville KY
    You want a mesh vest. The solid ballistic nylon will make you too hot.

    I have a 5.11 vest, TAG Ammo pouches with the magnetic pistol pouchs kangarooed to the front. A Magpu Rolly Polly dump pouch on the right rear. A Serpa pistol on my left top panel. A Magpul cell phone carrier on my top right panel. i could run a single plate in the back and two side plates up front if I really want to--but I don't.

    But mesh is the way to go regardless.
  8. JBUS

    JBUS I'mHellaJelly!

    Jun 28, 2011
    What is this "vest" for? As in what's the purpose?

    A PC without plates is a no go. It's not going to fit correctly and as some have wisely stated, the pouches will flop.

    Either run a PC or run a chest rig. Condor is crap and VooDoo is not much higher than Condor.

    Of course if the vest is just for short range trips and plinking by all means have at it.

    If you are going to take classes, get serious training in then make the move to quality gear.

    Last class I went through guys were running Condor carriers and thigh rigs. I actually had a guy tell me he used it for his airsoft stuff and figured it'd work at the class.

    Next thing I know, there's a few of us modding his holster so he could at least draw from it without flagging all of us online during transition drills.

    Quality gear manufacturers are Tyr, HSGI, OSOE, First Spear, SKD, Mayflower, LBT, BFG, TT, ATS.

    It's not about CDI factor. My wife thinks I look like a retard when I put all my crap on to adjust it or when I put it on for hot calls (she works patrol with me).

    I will say I've come across some relatively unknow gear makers that were quality as well.

    I recently sold my SKD PIG to a friend in my old unit. Did rucks in it, workouts and wore it at hot calls. Was borrowed by a good friend for what turned out to be a 4-5 manhunt in the woods. Nothing but good feedback even with side plates. Great Carrier but I wanted something a little more streamlined.

    Moved on to a Tyr Tactical PC. This is used in conjunction with ESAPI plates for work purposes.

    I keep the PC in the trunk and an OSOE Micro Rig as well just in case someone needs it. I have another rig, SKD chest rig at home for classes or training with friends.
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2013
  9. Simpleman71


    Jul 26, 2010
    check out uspalm. I think they have some nice soft, level III vests.
  10. Travclem

    Travclem Badass Member Lifetime Member

    Aug 4, 2008
    Lubbock, TX
    I prefer belts to vests if you aren't wearing armor. HSGI/G-Code is the way to go.

    Buy once, cry once if you need quality gear. If you don't need quality gear, and just want to use it for looks, there isn't really much point in spending the money.
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2013
  11. Navitimer


    Apr 29, 2009
    May consider checking out US Grunt Gear. Absolute top-quality stuff. I love my chest rig; however I do not have plate capability.
  12. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

    May 15, 2010
    NW Florida
    I prefer the belt with or without armor, personally.
  13. Cole125

    Cole125 Silver Member

    Apr 5, 2008
    Far West, USA
    Nice setup! :cool: Details?
  14. Travclem

    Travclem Badass Member Lifetime Member

    Aug 4, 2008
    Lubbock, TX
    It is a HSGI Sure Grip Padded Belt with the Cobra inner belt. The mag pouches are Double Decker Tacos. HSGI Bleeder with a SOF-t tourniquet, GSW dressings/Celox and chest seals. The holster is a G-Code OSH with the RTI attachment point.

    Glock 22

    LMT 10.5" with T-1.

    Posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2013
  15. MrMurphy

    MrMurphy ********* Moderator Moderator Millennium Member Lifetime Member

    Jan 16, 2001
    Buried in the X-files
    Still prefer a chest rig for mounted operations,which was the majority of my experience, but the warbelt+suspenders is superior for patrolling especially without armor.

    If you run plates and are doing a lot of physical activity a warbelt+plate carrier can be a good combo.
  16. Timely thread, as our yearly uniform allowance is coming out soon and I'm looking to put together an active shooter/entry rig.

    Considering I'm looking for something minimalist that can be dropped on over a class A and duty belt the Tyr BPC looks to be an excellent option.

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  17. MrMurphy

    MrMurphy ********* Moderator Moderator Millennium Member Lifetime Member

    Jan 16, 2001
    Buried in the X-files
    Tyr makes solid gear. First Spear and HSGI does as well.

    If you need one-off custom gear, HSGI is a smaller shop but at least in the past, has been highly helpful. When stationed overseas I called up Gene and had a forty minute conversation on grenadier rigs and was working on a custom design for our unit. Didn't end up going through but that wasn't his fault.
  18. Glock21Owner

    Glock21Owner NRA Life Member

    Dec 27, 2001
    Isle of Lucy
    Although they aren't made anymore, you can still find a Camelbak Delta vest on ebay or elsewhere on the web. Great quality item, very pleased with mine.
  19. TangoFoxtrot

    TangoFoxtrot OIF 04-05

    Sep 10, 2008
    Nowhereville, USA
    I wear a simple Army issued ACU molle vest with 4 double mag pouches (only put 4 mags on but have the ability to double up if need be.) and a medic pouch. The whole setup cost me $66 and it is durable and comfortable as hell. So I saved a bunch of money keeping it simple. This advice is for vest users, not belt wearers.
  20. DaleGribble

    DaleGribble Sandwich!

    Mar 20, 2003
    Land of the toothless!
    I have to agree with Mr. Murphy, if it involves a vehicle, chest carrier all the way. Nothing, besides medieval torture, is more uncomfortable than a thick belt with a bunch of **** hanging off it while you're sitting in a cramped vehicle. Now for classes, range work and foot patrol a belt wins every time.

    I used to wear a duty belt with sidearm, two spare pistol mags, two cuff pouches, radio, O.C., Multitool, Surefire 6P and a glove pouch. Talk about a gear queer! After my first week of patrol in a car my crap got trimmed back to two mags, one cuff pouch, O.C., sidearm and radio with a set of gloves in my back pocket. I ditched the 6P for a big old school 3 cell mag light in a simple ring. Way more comfortable and when the maglight slid out of the ring, people instantly shut up.

    If I had it to do over again, I'd go with a mesh chest carrier all the way with the only thing on my belt being my sidearm.