Sure, within the backstrap is a large pin that runs up the back strap that twists to lock and unlock. Its not the easiest thing to unlock it either as its a tight fit. Once you rotate the base of the pin it pulls out. Then you can pull the backstrap off. The backstraps are very snug, nothing loose feeling. They come with the medium size installed and the majority of people leave it that way. If you are satisfied with the grip of the Glock 17 then you would likly end up in the Medium camp. I prefer the small.
Try them out sometime, while Glock tops my list the M&P is second.
My department issues the G22 gen 3 as do innumerable other agencies. How is the move to a Gen4 going to effect these agencies reference obtaining parts etc. as the Gen3's get worn?
There will be plenty of parts for a while. Some things will be backwards compatible but I suspect departments will eventually start issuing Gen4s when they need replacing.
I agree. But for me, the jury is still out on the double spring recoil system. I can only imagine it's an improvement, but I don't think I have ever heard about any problems with the Glock's Gen1-3 single spring system.
It makes scense on a sub compact since one short length spring by itself may not be enough, but on a full size? I'll wait just a bit to see how it functions in the real world before pickin one up.
yea I'm not sure why the switch, but from what I've heard so far, it works. Heck, XDs have a dual recoil system, though XDm switched to a non-captive single spring (not sure about the 3.8" I didn't even think about it when I saw them in the shop). I guess it's just one of those things companies like to change.
I agree. But for me, the jury is still out on the double spring recoil system. I can only imagine it's an improvement, but I don't think I have ever heard about any problems with the Glock's Gen1-3 single spring system.
Numerous threads about issues with Gen 3 G22s with lights hanging on them. From what I understand, the new recoil spring is to help address that. I guess time will tell.
Perhaps the weight of the light system off balanced the front end enough to off balance it. Never heard of any issues without the light and personally, never experienced any problems with the light on it myself.
I've seen a lot of claims and concerns regarding the Gen4 killing compatibility in Glock's lineup, and I finally got around to fully stripping and swapping parts myself and added the posted experience of another GT member to get a full list.
Parts compatibility between 3rd and 4th Gen:
I have personally swapped (G22):
KKM Gen3 barrel
Firing Pin/spring
Spacer Sleeve
Spring Cups
Firing Pin Safety/spring
Extractor
Extractor Depressor plunger/spring
Spring Loaded Bearing
Slide Cover Plate
Rear Sight
Front Sight
Slide Lock/spring
Locking Block
Connector
Slide Stop Lever(extended)
Trigger w/trigger bar
Trigger spring
I've seen a lot of claims and concerns regarding the Gen4 killing compatibility in Glock's lineup, and I finally got around to fully stripping and swapping parts myself and added the posted experience of another GT member to get a full list.
I thought the Gen 4's barrel lug has (& needs) a larger notch for the recoil spring guide rod.
Also, how can the Gen 3 trigger housing fit in the Gen 4 frame when its housing has been reduced at the bottom like SF models... because the frame grip area was reduced?
I thought the Gen 4's barrel lug has (& needs) a larger notch for the recoil spring guide rod.
Also, how can the Gen 3 trigger housing fit in the Gen 4 frame when its housing has been reduced at the bottom like SF models... because the frame grip area was reduced?
Sorry I missed your post about the barrel. So they are not the same, but will "work", per your tests.
In looking for your comment about the barrel, I noticed you said that the new guide rod/spring assembly is "all steel". Isn't the rod itself plastic as in the sub-compact models?
Maybe I'm out of the loop having not bought a new Glock for several years, but on the two I bought yesterday (only one of which is a Gen4), the front sights look like they're plastic, but instead of the old pin press fit to spread the bottom of the sight, there's a small screw (looks just like the ones used by the Meprolight night sights I've installed on other Glocks) holding the front sight...and it looks like that screw extends all the way up to the top of the front sight. Has this been standard for a while?
Maybe I'm out of the loop having not bought a new Glock for several years, but on the two I bought yesterday (only one of which is a Gen4), the front sights look like they're plastic, but instead of the old pin press fit to spread the bottom of the sight, there's a small screw (looks just like the ones used by the Meprolight night sights I've installed on other Glocks) holding the front sight...and it looks like that screw extends all the way up to the top of the front sight. Has this been standard for a while?
I guess they improved the front but took a step back on the rear. I shot my Gen4 17 today...and like most (but not all) Glocks, it hit to the left for me. I used my MGW pusher to drift the rear to the right a bit, then decided to pop it out and maybe try a Glock adjustable rear I had left over from another gun. While trying to push the rear sight out, it began to deform and basically tore apart on the way out. The metal bit that helps hold it in place was left behind and had to be tapped out with a punch and my Brownells gunsmith hammer.
I've replaced factory sights (typically for night sights) on probably a dozen or more Glocks for myself, family, and friends, and never seen that happen before. Fortunately, I always keep parts...so I just slid in another (older) Glock rear fixed sight. If it's a keeper, it'll end up getting night sights anyway.
Sorry I missed your post about the barrel. So they are not the same, but will "work", per your tests.
In looking for your comment about the barrel, I noticed you said that the new guide rod/spring assembly is "all steel". Isn't the rod itself plastic as in the sub-compact models?
So how long do you expect it will be before the GEN 4s actually appear on GLOCK's web site? Just came from there and couldn't find it. You'd think it would be right on the home page. :dunno:
So how long do you expect it will be before the GEN 4s actually appear on GLOCK's web site? Just came from there and couldn't find it. You'd think it would be right on the home page. :dunno:
Yeah, but it's typical of GLOCK. It took quite some time for the GAP pistols to make the web page. At this point, I'm guessing the RTF-2s won't make it at all.
The answer from the manufacturers (as reported by myself and others) is "yes."
The result of using one of these barrels, for me, has been no different than using it in any other Glock pistol.
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